VIC-Xmas 2016 Case-Swap Recipe (Cocko's place)

[mofox1]

Six days and mine's at 1.007... Wowsers.

Hydro sample also numbed the tongue... this will have to sit under the house a few seasons methinks.

 

[technobabble66]

Kegged the WLP-566 Saison from half a cube of the Partigyle batch. (seems pretty darn tasty!)

Drained the extra 10L cube of the Westy12 i snaffled onto the yeast cake & discovered some slimy stuff in amongst the wort. Wort seems sort of OK, but maybe a slight sulfury solvent aroma - after research might be Mercaptan, from a Megasphaera cerevisiae infection in the cube.
Un Faaaaarkin Believable!!!!
Particularly as i'm currently nuking my other FV after the other half of the Partigyle got an Aceto/Lacto infection in it.
So ******* annoyed right now!!!!!
(I don't even care if i'm using too many exclamation marks)

Might as well ferment this one for a little bit and see if it is an infection (99% sure it is) or maybe I'm wrong (99% sure i'm not).
FAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRKKKKKK!!!!
:angry: :angry2:

 

[DJ_L3ThAL]

Jeez, feel for you Stu! Was the cleanliness of the cube in question to start? Or should we who have not yet pitched this brew be concerned??

 

[technobabble66]

Thanks, Deej.

Cube might've been questionable.

I think, vaguely from memory, one of my 2 10Ls had a whisker of mold in the lid - maybe the one i grabbed in the heat of the moment (& the darkness) was the dodgy one. I'm not really sure, TBH. All the regular cubes should be fine, i believe/hope.

Got home a little while ago - the Saison yeast has taken off like a rocket. Krausen within 3hrs. Not sure if that makes me more annoyed or not.
FWIW, i realised it initially smelt similar to old yeast stocks of mine - a kinda solventy/estery, sulfury, yeasty aroma. Don't think it's a good thing.

Either way, i'm so damn annoyed i could punch a puppy.
So. *******. Sick. Of. Infections.

 

[technobabble66]

Update on the mini side-batch of Dubbel that i pitched a few days ago (i know you're all keen to hear what's happened to it )
Strangely enough, after 4 days there's no sign of anything nasty or off in the hydro samples.
The WLP-566 has munched it's way through the wort, nice big 2" krausen on top. Dropped from 1.045 to 1.012 in 3 days (first 2 at 19°C, 3rd day at 22°C),
So i threw in 500g Amber Syrup & 90g D2 Syrup yesterday, bumping it back up to 1.022, and held at 22°C.
Today down to 1.010, and because it was too light in colour, threw another 185g D2 into it. Hydro sample looks a bit better now with a mid-to-dark amber hue.
Absolutely no indication in the flavour or aroma of anything bad from the wort/cube.

So basically, no idea what's happened, but i'm happy to shrug my shoulders and quietly line up some bottles to fill B)

 

[VP Brewing]

Opened a stubbie after 3 and a half weeks in the bottle. Probably needs another 3 to be fully carbed.
Tastes very sweet considering how low the FG was but this will be amazing in a few months when everything balances out a bit more.
Nice dark red colour.

 

[Mardoo]

Hey guys, regarding the previous discussion about equipment, I was at Keg King the other day and they now sell a 3/4" inlet/outlet pump. Looks like their other pumps, just bigger. Polysulfone head. They only just got it in. Didn't ask about SS head availability.

 

[malt junkie]

Hey guys, regarding the previous discussion about equipment, I was at Keg King the other day and they now sell a 3/4" inlet/outlet pump. Looks like their other pumps, just bigger. Polysulfone head. They only just got it in. Didn't ask about SS head availability.

Wonder which pump it is. Could be anything from an MP20 through to MP70, It'd be great if they came out with a SS head on a higher flow pump, the MP15 (their current version with SS head) lacks the get up and go for larger batch sizes.

 

[Mardoo]

Not sure. It's not listed yet. It's pretty much twice the size of the current one.

 

[malt junkie]

Not sure. It's not listed yet. It's pretty much twice the size of the current one.

Price?

 

[Mardoo]

$179

 

[TheWiggman]

FINALLY got hold of some 3787 fresh off the boat. I made a 2.8l starter in a 3l flask and that was a mistake - it went completely bezerk and I had to clean the mess up about 4 times (hated seeing that creamy yeast go straight down the drain would have been at least 30ml).
Pitched today. Drum roll please...
1.069
I'm doing one with some D2. It'll be interesting to see if this lends a difference. Geez it tasted ballsy in the hydro sample though, bold and almost burnt, bitter as all hell.

 

[TheWiggman]

Attenuated like a mo'fo', got to 1.005. One of the finest smelling brews in a fermenter, nay one of the finest smelling brews. I got heaps of that D2 splendour and it had quite a dank burnt biscuit character which I'd attribute to the reduction. Taste-wise, oh man. I sucked down some froth from the hose used to bulk prime and didn't get any harsh bitterness, it was flavour country.
To be honest I was of the opinion that these swap day brews would be a bit of a hack job. I'm pretty pedantic about process and control etc with my system and thought this would be a fun attempt at knocking up a beer. Wrong, this has all the calling cards of a competition beer and I can't wait to try the finished product. Good job lads.

 

[bullsneck]

Out of interest, are you staggering the Candi additions or adding them in a bulk lot? Also, when? I assume fairly close to FG.

Edit - grammar

 

[technobabble66]

Not sure what everyone is actually doing but in theory it's better to add the ~1kg of syrup in two 500g additions split a few days apart.
So after ~70-80% of the SG points are chewed through I'd add the first lot, and when the SG drops back down to the same level I'd add the second lot. And then maybe start raising the temp slightly at this (2nd) point to help the yeast finish it all off.
Conveniently, Martin split our D2 into ~500g tubs, so it should be easy for us to split it into 2 additions.

 

[TheWiggman]

Did you actually do this Stu? I bought mine locally and tipped it all in at 1.015 or thereabouts. I have read the practice is to introduce it over a few days but I had a single 1kg pouch so would prefer not to open the fermenter more than once.

 

[technobabble66]

Nope, not done yet. I've had a few infection issues so most of summer has been taken up trying to re-sanitize everything [emoji30]
Will start the starter batch for the WLP-530 cake v soon!
Then intend to do as I described above.

 

[malt junkie]

I tasted the second runnings beer from the swap last night. I'd brewed it with WLP-545, and half a kilo of Amber. I don't think it has peaked just yet but initial tasting was superb, this may well be comp worthy in a few months.

Mike

 

[technobabble66]

... Drum roll please...
1.069

Same.
OG=1.069.

Pitched today onto a (slightly small) WLP-530 yeast cake. Pitched at 23-24°C, slowly letting it drop to 19°C over the next 12-24hrs. hopefully it'll cope ok with that and not go to sleep.
Just to annoy MHB et al, i used a drop of olive oil and some H2O2 along with some vigorous stirring/frothing to hopefully optimise the oxygenation/preparation of the yeasties (given i don't have O2).

Smell and taste of the hydro sample was fantastic. Bit sad the OG is a little low, but i'm hoping the few grav points short won't be a biggie.
Fingers crossed it'll stay infection-free

 

[TheWiggman]

Don't forget it's got 1kg to go of that sweet sweet Candi, still makes for a strong drop thanks to the insanely long rest around 60°C during the 'ramp'.
Crossing my fingers it doesn't end up as a Westy Barnyard.

 

[technobabble66]

Yeah, it's meant to hit 1.076 from the straight grain. I actually couldn't remember if it was 1.079 or 1.069, but pretty sure it was '69 (, dude) given yours was also.
Krausen was formed & 1" thick within 3 hrs. Dropped it down to 20*C overnight and it still managed to fill the 8L headspace and had pushed on the glad wrap some time during the night. Came back to it an hour ago and it was back to pushing on the glad wrap and starting to blow through.
So I've dropped it to 19*c to see if that'll subdue it a little.
******* yeast.
SG down to 1.054 already. That's 15 points in ~15 hrs after pitching. Not bad!
Must be the H2O2 [emoji185]

 

[malt junkie]

Question! Looking at bottling later this week. Thought crossed my mind, could candy syrup be used for carbonation. If so, has anyone done this? And at what rate? Beerperiment??

 

[technobabble66]

And it won't be too barnyard. My dodgy funnel had ~18% syrup in it (this has ~13.5%) and seems totes fine.

 

[technobabble66]

Question! Looking at bottling later this week. Thought crossed my mind, could candy syrup be used for carbonation. If so, has anyone done this? And at what rate? Beerperiment??

Can definitely do.
I think CandiSyrup inc have information on the website for this.

FG?

 

[Mardoo]

Yes, I've carbed a few times with candi syrup, and yes, as TB66 noted, the Candisyrup Inc website gives guidelines.

I'd add, just as a side-note, as it's not so applicable to this beer, that using sugars with flavour for bottle-conditioning seems to extend the time needed for bottle-conditioning. This is my opinion based on my experience, but after about 20 batches worth of experimentation, it really seems the flavours need more conditioning time to integrate than the same beer bottles with dex.

 

[malt junkie]

CG(current gravity)1010, gave it a a second hit of fresh yeast Friday just gone was @1014 I'll give it a rouse tomorrow see if it moves any further hoping to bottle Saturday.

 

[Yob]

CG(current gravity)1010, gave it a a second hit of fresh yeast Friday just gone was @1014 I'll give it a rouse tomorrow see if it moves any further hoping to bottle Saturday.

Just put in one of those big shiny silver bottles.. Job done

 

[malt junkie]

Just put in one of those big shiny silver bottles.. Job done

Not a bad idea, and I do need to finish that keezer collar, I also hate bottling. :huh: ........hmmmm

Ot Yob still no Nelson?

 

[Yob]

Nope, sorry been too busy to ask or even split anything, hypothetically

 

[technobabble66]

And it won't be too barnyard. My dodgy funnel had ~18% syrup in it (this has ~13.5%) and seems totes fine.

funnel = dubbel
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