Throw Out Your Cubes

[Online Brewing Supplies]

FFS, don't ever, under any circumstances, encourage him!

Mate this is one of the biggest looping threads I have have seen, you should spank yourself and go to bed.
Pics or it never happened . Enjoyed that last Wit yesterday.
Nev

 

[Fish13]

I think Chillin is all where it is at ... for all you fly mothers ... get out and chill ...


But seriously ...

I use cubes and I did not vote for Aunty Julia

no but you drank everyones beer you mug

 

[ledgenko]

no but you drank everyones beer you mug

No I still have the beer for JYO .... but .... oops I did it .. I drank yours :-( ... but on an up shot it was really good and I will / have said to JYO ... I am a ***** .. and a really big one !!!


Don't pick on the deaf guy ...


I feel bad

 

[Fish13]

thats cool mate. next time. at least your not this bloke

 

[ledgenko]

thats cool mate. next time. at least your not this bloke

You got a good touch up by the lady at Big Als ... nice little brew shop .. heaps of bargains .. walked out with the keg .. gonna make a nice tun ... for my small batches ...


Matt

BTW ... your beer was awesome ... I want that recipe ... it was tops

 

[Fish13]

wait you walked out with a buffer keg??


*******

yeap i'll post the recipe up now.

 

[ledgenko]

want it ???


for a few $ its yours ... gonna make a great TUN !!!!

 

[Fish13]

na its yours mate. i got some otehr leads to follow

 

[bum]

Is this that Bookface all the kiddies are talking about?

 

[rich_lamb]

Jeez, just logged on to AHB to soak up some time waiting for a plane - but after reading this I think I'll go back to staring out the window... :blink:

 

[yardy]

Asbestos scares me, that I have have worked with more than most of you guys.
Batz

Same here, had 4 major asbestos breaches on a shut.

 

[Maxt]

Oh thank you all for proving I'm not doing anything dangerous by no chilling!

I love proof, reminds me of this quote:

"The book points out that the Babel fish could not possibly have developed naturally, and therefore both proves and disproves the existence of God:

Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindbogglingly useful could evolve purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God. The argument goes something like this:

"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing".
"But," says man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It proves you exist and so therefore you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
"Oh, that was easy," says man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white, and gets killed on the next zebra crossing." HHGTTG

 

[brucearnold]

So does this make me a chiller or no-chiller? :huh:

 

[Dazza88]

depends on how much botulism is in that wheel barrow, been carting around dirt just before hand?

 

[pk.sax]

I feel like stirring that pot....

So, all those comments about chucking out swollen cubes, if the beta acids in your wort de-activate the spores, then how is a swollen cube related to botulism?

Anybody care to explain?

 

[going down a hill]

It isn't infected with botulism, it's just infected.

 

[Spork]

The government should subsidise hops, in the interest of safety.

I have NFI what relationship PPM (of the CB inhibiting acid) to IBU's is, however I read somewhere in last couple of pages that the effective minimum concentration was below the human taste threshold. I read elsewhere, with regard to IBU's, that to most people, 5 IBU's is the minimum amount where a change in bitterness is tasted. Ie. most of us wouldn't taste any difference between 22 and 25 IBU's, but we would taste a difference between 22 and 27 IBU's. That would suggest to me that the threshold for tasting IBS's would be <5.

Of course, this may be completely wrong.

 

[Tim F]

The government should subsidise hops, in the interest of safety.

I have NFI what relationship PPM (of the CB inhibiting acid) to IBU's is

Isn't IBU = ppm of alpha acids? That would make the ppm of beta acids in wort dependent on the ratio of alpha:beta acids in the type(s) of hops you are using. I guess it is possible if you were making a hefeweizen or maybe a lager and used 20 ibu of a hop with a low ratio of beta to alpha there is a small chance you could be under 5ppm beta acids?

*I just googled most of this so might have it backwards.

*Big assumption that alpha and beta acids are extracted at similar rates during the boil?

 

[emnpaul]

the beta acids in your wort de-activate the spores...related to botulism

Anybody care to explain?

Simple.
Dry hop all your beers with 100g of POR and you'll never get Botulism.

 

[Thirsty Boy]

so - you're all sure, on the basis of one patent application, the basic science of which no can seem to find - that its all fine and dandy now?

any of you blokes wanna buy a used car??

FFS, only one of you seems to have any bloody idea what hop beta acids even are, but you're all sure they're a silver bullet. Smells hoppy so it must be alright - jeezus

No-chill was never a threat for botulism. Dr K said it in his first post and no one with a modicum of sense has posted anything that suggests it is a problem. The hurdles to infection are just too many - I've mentioned most of them, all of them have been talked about (even if they do seem to be misunderstood too) - to make the chance of a CB infection anything other than stupidly remote.

BUT - Darren reminded us, that its only a little bit away from being a problem, a really serious one. And if people, as people inevitably do, take shortcuts, dont do things properly, use half instead of a whole solution, or misunderstand the risk - then someone could die.

No-Chill is not inherrently risk free - it can be made more than acceptably safe and the general practise does that. But to refuse to admit that there is a risk potential in the first place?? foolish. To drink a cube that you know is infected when there exists even the remotest chance that the infection could harm you? idiotic.