The Great Chinese Hop Buy 2009

[townsville]

I'm as curious as Phillip. Who were the professionals and what style of beer did they brew with their Chinese hops?

This is sooooo simple to answer I dont know why I am bothering, BUT here goes.

The reason I get confidential information is simple, I KEEP IT CONFIDENTIAL. All because the masses want to know who said what wont wash.!!!!!!!!

You might not like me saying "this guy said this or that", BUT live with it.

I get a LOT of info from sources and for very good reason. I dont spill the beans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you dont like it ----------------- well tough shit

Live with it

Craftbrewer

 

[Paul H]

This is sooooo simple to answer I dont know why I am bothering, BUT here goes.

The reason I get confidential information is simple, I KEEP IT CONFIDENTIAL. All because the masses want to know who said what wont wash.!!!!!!!!

You might not like me saying "this guy said this or that", BUT live with it.

I get a LOT of info from sources and for very good reason. I dont spill the beans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you dont like it ----------------- well tough shit

Live with it

Craftbrewer

I asked this before but in case you weren't listening can you keep both hands above the table when posting .

Cheers

Paul

 

[AndrewQLD]

This is sooooo simple to answer I dont know why I am bothering, BUT here goes.

The reason I get confidential information is simple, I KEEP IT CONFIDENTIAL. All because the masses want to know who said what wont wash.!!!!!!!!

You might not like me saying "this guy said this or that", BUT live with it.

I get a LOT of info from sources and for very good reason. I dont spill the beans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you dont like it ----------------- well tough shit

Live with it

Craftbrewer

:lol: Love your style Graham, spout unconfirmed info and think everyone should take it as gospel, why? Because you said it?
Well your right, technically you didn't spill the beans but if your right about your "contacts" they will soon get tired of your spruiking. And if you think "the masses shouldn't know it" then why say anything to begin with. Have another beer.

Andrew

 

[MarkBastard]

Thats so scientifically insightful, I am lost for words.

Really

Craftbrewer

In case you didn't realise, it was a pop-culture reference to signify how completely ridiculous and devoid of logic and science your assertion was.

I have no issue with you otherwise but the conclusions you jump to on a whim are just incredible.

But it's okay, I'm sure next week you'll say Marco Polo = Chinook because it has the letter o twice in it as well as the letter c. Think about it.

 

[townsville]

:lol: Love your style Graham, spout unconfirmed info and think everyone should take it as gospel, why? Because you said it?

Well its simple, If you think what i say is crap, well, its simple - ignor it.

If you want informed information, well take it on board.

I have proven too many times the consensus is wrong.

Craftbrewer

 

[AndrewQLD]

Well its simple, If you think what i say is crap, well, its simple - ignor it.

If you want informed information, well take it on board.

I have proven too many times the consensus is wrong.

Craftbrewer

:lol: :lol: You are truly an Urban legend.

Andrew

 

[townsville]

:lol: Love your style Graham, spout unconfirmed info and think everyone should take it as gospel, why? Because you said it?
Well your right, technically you didn't spill the beans but if your right about your "contacts" they will soon get tired of your spruiking. And if you think "the masses shouldn't know it" then why say anything to begin with. Have another beer.

Ah yes, BUT think about that very statement. Those contacts do contact me for a very good reason. Yes I am bombastic, annoying, and downright a *******!!!!!!!!!!!

BUT I do know my stuff

Craftbrewer

 

[goomboogo]

:lol: :lol: You are truly an Urban legend.

Andrew

I'm trying to work out what consensus he's talking about. Is consensus the word he meant to use? It's hard to tell.

 

[townsville]

I'm trying to work out what consensus he's talking about. Is consensus the word he meant to use? It's hard to tell.

Its like shooting fish in a barrel

general agreement and, secondly, group solidarity of belief or sentiment

Craftbrewer

 

[AndrewQLD]

This thread is sooo like the email conversations on Craftbrewer.org, ring any bells Graham?
I'm sorry but as much as I enjoyed the Bulk hop buy experience this is getting a little repetitive.

Andrew

 

[bradsbrew]

A bit of research from yours truly has discovered what Marco Polo is.

Marco Polo = Columbus. The rhizhomes were supplied many years ago by Hopunion.
My understanding is that it doesn't have the finese of the USA hop, but looks like being a great buy
My guess is that the Cascade probably had similar origin.

Cheers Ross

The chinese hop grower told me they sourced all the rhysomes from their "natural sources", whatever that meant. I assumed saaz from europe, Cascade from the USA.

IF indeed Marco polo = Columbus, then that indeed is going to make some very jealious they didn't get any.

Craftbrewer

Interesting paper about Chinese hops:

http://www.scientificsocieties.org/jib/pap...05-0718-291.pdf

Chinese Saaz (SA-1) comes from Female Saaz and Male Tettnang (page 230 of the above pdf).

Page 232 quote:"SA-1 gives beer an aroma to similar to those brewed by Fuggle related varieties".

Looks like our Saaz (SA-1) has been properly researched and should make great beer

OK, so we can ignor the comment that Chinese Saaz "tastes like fuggles" (yes I know its only one comment). I thought the paper was a bit wrong there with its asumptions.

I do like the analogy of the taste of the Chinese Saaz - SE-ASIAN

Craftbrewer

Oh, and here is a bombshell, or at least a little schrapnel.

MARCO POLO

I am doubting is Columbus

The scientific paper quoted earlier, well those things are peer reviewed before publication. For those who dont know, that means they are taken appart by similar knownledgables to ensure accuracy. They scrutise every aspects.

In the paper they quote 11 varieties they tested from all arround the world, and in all cases they quoted where from and the original parents.

BUT the MP parents are quote "unknown". Equally they quote the origins as the USA, which is most unusal, considering its susposed to be a China hop. This would have NOT been missed by the peer reviewers. Further I quoted some USA friends the smells and tastes, and they stated "sounds like simcoe hop to me". Now for those who dont know, simcoe hop can not be grown commercially by anyone. Its a registered variety that can only be grown under licence, and they dont give too many out.

Now we all know how good the Chinese are at copying things and making them their own.

Based on all this I have come up with three possibilities

1. MP is a wild variety from China, probably found growing in a USA based hop field.
2. MP is as stated earlier - columbus
3. MP is a registered variety based on something like simcoe, BUT as its "aquired", they are not saying so, for copywrite reasons.

Based on the scientific paper, I tend to favour option 3. as a distinct possibility.

It certainly can't be ruled out

Craftbrewer
Graham L Sanders
skype "Craftbrewer"
http://radio.craftbrewer.org

i am confused and i need a beer, I like beer.

 

[AndrewQLD]

Just change one word in the following "quote" and it becomes accurate
Love your style Andrew QLD, sprout unconfirmed info and think everyone should take it as gospel, why? Because you said it?

And you are referring to??

 

[kook]

Guys - if you want to discuss hops, discuss hops.

If you want to bitch and moan, there are plenty of other forums.

 

[AndrewQLD]

Guys - if you want to discuss hops, discuss hops.

If you want to bitch and moan, there are plenty of other forums.

True, logging on to Vogue now.

Andrew

 

[bradsbrew]

Guys - if you want to discuss hops, discuss hops.

If you want to bitch and moan, there are plenty of other forums.

Cant believe she wore that dress with those shoes. Like how tacky

 

[goomboogo]

Can we get this back on topic? Who's interested in a group order to Hops Direct?

 

[arogers]

Can we get this back on topic? Who's interested in a group order to Hops Direct?

me.

 

[daemon]

i am confused and i need a beer, I like beer.

Beer, I like beer too. I'll have a keg on tap tomorrow with my Chinese hops and I really don't care about the origin, nor if it's part of some conspiracy to take over the world. I'll pour it into a nice glass, sit back and enjoy. :chug:

 

[Online Brewing Supplies]

Beer, I like beer too. I'll have a keg on tap tomorrow with my Chinese hops and I really don't care about the origin, nor if it's part of some conspiracy to take over the world. I'll pour it into a nice glass, sit back and enjoy. :chug:

Yes thats the point ! Sit back and enjoy. And cheap too.
GB

 

[Effect]

AndrewQLD, seriously, just give it a wash...

Don't try and fight with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience!

Cheers
Phil