I've just seen this thread (haven't had time to look at this forum for months actually) - I've got an orval clone at home which might fit the bill (Brett cultivated from a bottle of Orval, using Jamil's recipe from his recipe book). Scored 105 pts at VicBrew so I guess its OK. Happy to chuck in a dozen stubbies, but i won't be going to ANHC - is there anywhere else I can drop off? I usually drop things at Dave's home brew, Greensborough.