No-rinse Sanitiser I Bought

[spicks]

I bought this sanitizer, which is says "No need to rinse. Completely odourless". It is the Brewcraft Brewshield Sanitiser.

It contains Hydrogen Peroxide 3%, Silver Ions and distilled water.

So why does it give me first aid advice if I swallow it? Am I meant to just spray it on using an atomiser gun, let it dry and just go ahead with brewing? Or should I rinse the fermenter items?

Thanks.

 

[barfridge]

"Am I meant to just spray it on using an atomiser gun, let it dry and just go ahead with brewing?"

bingo! brewshield is good stuff

 

[PeterS]

"Am I meant to just spray it on using an atomiser gun, let it dry and just go ahead with brewing?"

bingo! brewshield is good stuff

[post="48308"][/post]​

I just started to use Morgan's. I presume it is the same stuff by a different label. My readings indicated that Sodium Metabisulphate is not realy recommended as it inhibits growth of bacteria and does not kill them. As it is not cheap, I use a spray atomiser. According to instructions on the bottle, but I do not trust it and still rinse with tap water.

Prior to using that stuff, I wash everything in houshold bleach solution anyway and that is also a good sanitizer I am led to believe. Again rinse after it as well.
:chug:

 

[chiefman]

Do any of you guys use bleach i always use it in a diluted form then rinse with boiling water. There are so many web sites that recomend it

 

[warrenlw63]

Bleach is a good, cheap reliable sanitizer IMO.

OTOH After 8+ years of having to thoroughly rinse fermenters on a busy brew day. It gets to be a bit of a PITA. Particularly glass carboys which are dangerous to handle whilst full of water or anything else for that matter.

I switched to iodine based sanitizers and never looked back. They're virtually no rinse. May cost more but are worth it in terms of time and water saved.

I just add 5ml of iodophor to 5 litres of water and shake the bejeezus out of the fermenter over the period of a couple of hours when I can remember. Let it drain into a bucket to sanitize my other implements and just let the carboy drain.

Easy as.

Warren -

 

[neonmeate]

i'll have to get into that iodophor stuff. rinsing out bleach from a carboy is not only a PITA but a pain in the back too, i did my back in last year after bending over a bathtub trying to slosh water around to rinse a carboy. also being the token greenie that i am i'd like to save water. and not tip a bottle of bleach a month down the drain.

 

[TidalPete]

"Am I meant to just spray it on using an atomiser gun, let it dry and just go ahead with brewing?"

bingo! brewshield is good stuff

[post="48308"][/post]​

I just started to use Morgan's. I presume it is the same stuff by a different label. My readings indicated that Sodium Metabisulphate is not realy recommended as it inhibits growth of bacteria and does not kill them. As it is not cheap, I use a spray atomiser. According to instructions on the bottle, but I do not trust it and still rinse with tap water.

Prior to using that stuff, I wash everything in houshold bleach solution anyway and that is also a good sanitizer I am led to believe. Again rinse after it as well.
:chug:

[post="48317"][/post]​

I use Morgan's for all my little odds & ends & am interested in finding out how long the solution in the sprayer is good for before it deteriates to the point where it is not effective? Also, I am too impatient to wait for the stuff to dry. Is this neccessarily a bad thing. :blink:

 

[Ross]

I use Morgan's for all my little odds & ends & am interested in finding out how long the solution in the sprayer is good for before it deteriates to the point where it is not effective? Also, I am too impatient to wait for the stuff to dry. Is this neccessarily a bad thing. :blink:

[post="67430"][/post]​

The solution will easily stay good for the length of time the bottle will last you & can be reused many times if kept in a bottle or jar - Also no need to dry, but takes up to 7 minutes to fully sterilise...

 

[TidalPete]

The solution will easily stay good for the length of time the bottle will last you & can be reused many times if kept in a bottle or jar - Also no need to dry, but takes up to 7 minutes to fully sterilise...

[post="67432"][/post]​

Thanks Ross. This was just the info I needed. Where did you get it from? :blink:
Morgans told me that 1 day was the limit, but I suspected that this was only in their (sales) interests.

 

[Kai]

I would be careful trying to keep a solution of Morgan's Sanitize for any extended period. The hydrogen peroxide in it will degrade over time.

 

[TidalPete]

I would be careful trying to keep a solution of Morgan's Sanitize for any extended period. The hydrogen peroxide in it will degrade over time.

[post="67436"][/post]​

I agree that one should be careful Kai. I only intend to use the diluted sanitiser over a 2 to 2.5-day period so hopefully this should be ok. Time (pardon the pun) will tell.

:beer:

 

[Ross]

Thanks Ross. This was just the info I needed. Where did you get it from? :blink:
Morgans told me that 1 day was the limit, but I suspected that this was only in their (sales) interests.

[post="67435"][/post]​

1 Day!!?? Would have been on the shelf for longer than that?? or am I missing something?

 

[Kai]

That's the concentrate, Ross. When you make up the solution to use, it's a different matter.

 

[Ross]

I would be careful trying to keep a solution of Morgan's Sanitize for any extended period. The hydrogen peroxide in it will degrade over time.

[post="67436"][/post]​

How long then Kai?? It's sold as a solution & has no use by date on the bottle. Would assume if it had a limited shelf life, it would be printed on the bottle??

Hydrogen peroxide is a stable product, heating it above 80c or introducing contaminants will shorten its life - For this reason I dilute it with deionised water, which gives it a long shelf life - I buy a concentrated form that dilutes 1ml per 1L in water to sterilise all my equipment - IMO the best steriliser for homebrewers on the market...

 

[Ross]

That's the concentrate, Ross. When you make up the solution to use, it's a different matter.

[post="67442"][/post]​

Sanitise is only a 3% solution, it is already diluted with distilled water...

 

[TidalPete]

Hydrogen peroxide is a stable product, heating it above 80c or introducing contaminants will shorten its life - For this reason I dilute it with deionised water, which gives it a long shelf life - I buy a concentrated form that dilutes 1ml per 1L in water to sterilise all my equipment - IMO the best steriliser for homebrewers on the market...

[post="67443"][/post]​

This is all most interesting Ross. You certainly seem very knowledgeable on this subject & I am keen to find out where you obtained your concentrated Hydrogen peroxide & in what quantity & how much was it? It would seem that the concentrated form has advantages over the "homebrew brand" type of product? What are the "contaminants" that you mention in the quote above?

:beer:

 

[Kai]

I would be careful trying to keep a solution of Morgan's Sanitize for any extended period. The hydrogen peroxide in it will degrade over time.

[post="67436"][/post]​

How long then Kai?? It's sold as a solution & has no use by date on the bottle. Would assume if it had a limited shelf life, it would be printed on the bottle??

Hydrogen peroxide is a stable product, heating it above 80c or introducing contaminants will shorten its life - For this reason I dilute it with deionised water, which gives it a long shelf life - I buy a concentrated form that dilutes 1ml per 1L in water to sterilise all my equipment - IMO the best steriliser for homebrewers on the market...

[post="67443"][/post]​

Ross,

Beats me, I was only supposing I generally use ortho-phos and surfactant for my sanitation, due to convenience. I assumed that H2O2 by nature would be more volatile, especially with a silver ion catalyst in the mix.

Maybe it lasts plenty long time with deionised water, but how many people do you reckon do that? Safer and easier to discard after a couple uses, I would think. And from what I can recall, if H2O2 gets up to 80C it can get quite explosive... dunno about concentrations though.

 

[Ross]

This is all most interesting Ross. You certainly seem very knowledgeable on this subject & I am keen to find out where you obtained your concentrated Hydrogen peroxide & in what quantity & how much was it? It would seem that the concentrated form has advantages over the "homebrew brand" type of product? What are the "contaminants" that you mention in the quote above?

:beer:

[post="67471"][/post]​

Tidalpete, contaminants as in dirty water or general cleaning - a google search on Hydrogen peroxide will bring you up a wealth of info including safety data etc...
I buy Hy-san - it's a product produced for the horticultural Industry - $24 for 1L - dilutes 1000 - 1 for disinfecting. Horticultural Solutions - 86 Duncan Rd, Capalaba. Tel 3206 0037. Contact Wolfgang Strube B.Sc.Agr(Hort.)
He's a keen homebrewer himself & is most helpful...

At $24 for a 1000L there's not much need to reuse it anyway...

Cheers Ross

 

[tonydav]

This certainly sounds like the ducks guts. Anyone know of a source in the Sydney area?

tony

 

[Joel]

Anyone know if we can get this Hy-san stuff in the Newcastle area?

Otherwise what are it's active ingredients and are there any comparable alternates?