No-rinse Sanitiser I Bought

[pint of lager]

Joel, have a look in pet barns that sell horsey products. Some horse owners use it as a way of cleaning out the horse's mouth.

Another source is hydroponics shops. It is used as a sanitiser.

Read the ingredients. It should be hydrogen peroxide, silver ions and distilled water. The higher the concentration of hydrogen peroxide the better.

You want a product recommended for treating drinking water, which should mean it is made from food grade products.

 

[sosman]

One thing I haven't been able to reconcile is the sanitation effect of H2O2.

On the one hand I remember using when I was young as a mouth rinse for cuts or whatever (my mum thought the stuff was magic.). I have always thought that it was a very effective anti bacterial due to its oxidising action.

On the other hand, last time I looked, I couldn't find much regarding its application commercially for sanitation (that's not to say I looked in all the right places). Also, sodium percarbonate, which is supposed to release 15% or more H2O2 into solution, is not really promoted as a sanitizer but you would think it is due to the amount of H2O2 it releases.

Anyone have anything more authoritative on this? I haven't googled just now so maybe there is more stuff on this topic since I last looked.

The only link relating to this I referenced on brewiki.org was http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...7&dopt=Abstract

 

[Keifer]

Can't help you with a source for the Hydrogen Peroxide consentrate, but i bought a 1l bottle of iodophor for $25 from esb ( http://www.esbeer.com.au/category41_1.htm ) and i rekon that'l last me for a looooong time

 

[pint of lager]

Googling around found this product, Hersil, which is 50% hydrogen peroxide and silver ions.

Their website includes detailed discussion about using it within a brewery. Hersil link.

 

[Ross]

Googling around found this product, Hersil, which is 50% hydrogen peroxide and silver ions.

Their website includes detailed discussion about using it within a brewery. Hersil link.

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Very, very similar product to Hysan, which I use for all my sanitation, as mentioned before.

cheers Ross...

 

[andrewl]

I have bought a no rinse sanitiser from TCB (no affiliation etc), comes in 250ml bottle, 30mls i think treats 1l of water... haven't had a problem yet (touch wood)

 

[tonydav]

I have bought a no rinse sanitiser from TCB (no affiliation etc), comes in 250ml bottle, 30mls i think treats 1l of water... haven't had a problem yet (touch wood)

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I think that's Phosphoric acid. I've used it as well and think it's very effective. But at 30mls/L it works out pretty expensive if you use it a lot. (Around 8.3L for $6.50 works out at almost 80c/L vs 2.4c/L for Ross's mix). Grumpies also sells it but I'm not sure if it's a stronger mix. FWIW there is another thread about phosphoric acid and where to buy it (and issues with storage of the concentrated version).

Re the Iodophor; it says allow 20 minutes to sanitise which sounds like a pain, but again the price is pretty good.

tony

 

[jgriffin]

I think that's Phosphoric acid. I've used it as well and think it's very effective. But at 30mls/L it works out pretty expensive if you use it a lot. (Around 8.3L for $6.50 works out at almost 80c/L vs 2.4c/L for Ross's mix).

I think i paid $20 for 5L of phos acid (eliminate) nearly 2 years ago. You are supposed to use it at 20ml per 10L of water. I use it much stronger than that to be honest, yet still have some left. It's too early for me to work out, but is that like 0.8c per litre?
Plus the contact time is like only 60 secs or so.

Grumpies also sells it but I'm not sure if it's a stronger mix. FWIW there is another thread about phosphoric acid and where to buy it (and issues with storage of the concentrated version).

Re the Iodophor; it says allow 20 minutes to sanitise which sounds like a pain, but again the price is pretty good.

tony

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The "storage" issue you mention was not to put he concentrated stuff in PET bottles as it may melt them. I've never had a problem with the supplied container that's a see through container though. Phos acid should also be much more stable than iodphor or Ross's stuff, as it basically is just an acid + surfactant and relies on the ph to do it's job.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

The hersil site gives some very good info, and all the necceasary info on environmental effects...Going to get me some

 

[pint of lager]

Ducatiboy, I am not sure if Hersil is available in Australia. I posted that link in response to Sosman's question because it discussed in good detail hydrogen peroxide and silver ions in relation to brewing cleanliness. Ross has posted before about Hy-San.

The Hersil product is 50% hydrogen peroxide. The site does give dilution ratios for use. Whatever product you find, so long as they give the hydrogen peroxide content, you can scale it to give the same concentration as the diluted Hersil.

Morgans supply a product similar. It is 3% hydrogen peroxide, with their recommended dilution of 30ml per litre for sanitising equipment.

Make sure you are buying food grade products, not a plain gardening grade product.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Well they are in melbourne...


" Food and Beverage

Processing Industry

Herlisil FP

the non chlorine

environmentally safe alternative

Reach For Life Intl. Pty. Ltd. 2/61 Rushdale Street Knoxfield Vic. 3180

Ph. 03 9763 3988 Fax 03 9763 3977 "


Might have to ring them.....

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

http://www.reach-for-life.com/

From the website, it comes in 25ltr drums....

 

[Lukes]

Might have to ring them.....


Ducatiboy stu,
I drive right past this place on the way home from work.
I will drop in one night this week and check it out for price.

Luke

 

[Trough Lolly]

Good one Luke - let us know how you get on. I'll be in Melb on business soon but I'm not sure if a 25Ltr drum will work as carry on luggage!!!!

TL

 

[Wortgames]

Does anyone have any news regarding a cheaper source for BrewShield / Hy-San / Sanitize / Hersil?

I'm keen to get hold of it in larger quantities than 250ml at a time, although 25 litres might be overdoing it just a tad...

 

[Eugene]

I love this site, I was about to post the same question, im sick of paying too much for 250ml of morgans to see most of it gone in three brews, so I started looking around, mu local chemist sell Hydrogen peroxide by the liter and 5 liter, now just dilute and good to go, cool.

this is my washing/ cleaning/ sanitizing procedure.

All bottles, fermentors, spoons airlock etc are washed in the stainless laundry tub after it is first washed with bleach and Oxy action detergent, then it is sanitized with Neo pink,

I wash everything in a HOT HOT HOT water, my hot water comes out at 72 d c at the tap, I use comercial dish washing liquid, long thick chemical gloves to block the heat and scrub scrub scrub.

everthing is then rinsed 3 times in 70 degree water and air dried.

then the fermentor and lid, and bits and bobs are sanitised with the morgans no rinse, it is then rinse of after 15 mins in 70 deg water, brew is mixed when all has cooled down.

througout the whole thing I spray my hands, the taps and any thing I may touch with a neo pink mix from an atomiser bottle.

bottle was is the same, but every one get two washes, then a two rinses/dry, then a sanitse and then a final rinse, I only do the sanitise and rinse as I am decanting into the bulk prime tube for bottleing.

So far I have had zero contamination, but I feel im going overboard with the wash / rinse / wash rinse / sanitise / rinse procedure.

your comments guys.

I really really want to make a drying box, say 1.5 cubic meters, heated by the element of a cloths dries, with a fan to circulate the air, temp at 70-80 degree, all glass items in the up side down on racks and let it rip, then cool and bottle, but room is a problem.

 

[pint of lager]

Use a good cleaner (Neopink, napisan or your dishwashing detergent), rinse thoroughly and air dry.

Next time you need to use that bit of brew gear, use a no rinse sanitiser (hydrogen peroxide, phosphoric acid, iodine) at the correct concentration and contact time, this does not need to be rinsed if used correctly and use the brewgear wet, do not rinse a no rinse sanitiser as this brings it back to the sanitation level of your rinse water, be it good or bad...

Your cleaning regime obviously works, continue with it if it makes you happy, but could be cut back a bit so you can spend more time brewing and consuming the end product.

Use in your spray bottle, a good no rinse sanitiser such as those listed already or 70% ethanol. Neopink is a bit harsh to be spraying around on your hands.

 

[wessmith]

Just caught up on this thread - in case nobody else has pointed it out, never use colloidial silver type sanitisers on surfaces in contact with yeast. Same goes for those filter cartridges with a carbon/silver content. The silver sticks around and is VERY effective at killing bugs on a long term basis. Unfortunately it also kills yeast cells.

Wes

Use a good cleaner (Neopink, napisan or your dishwashing detergent), rinse thoroughly and air dry.

Next time you need to use that bit of brew gear, use a no rinse sanitiser (hydrogen peroxide, phosphoric acid, iodine) at the correct concentration and contact time, this does not need to be rinsed if used correctly and use the brewgear wet, do not rinse a no rinse sanitiser as this brings it back to the sanitation level of your rinse water, be it good or bad...

Your cleaning regime obviously works, continue with it if it makes you happy, but could be cut back a bit so you can spend more time brewing and consuming the end product.

Use in your spray bottle, a good no rinse sanitiser such as those listed already or 70% ethanol. Neopink is a bit harsh to be spraying around on your hands.

 

[Ross]

Just caught up on this thread - in case nobody else has pointed it out, never use colloidial silver type sanitisers on surfaces in contact with yeast. Same goes for those filter cartridges with a carbon/silver content. The silver sticks around and is VERY effective at killing bugs on a long term basis. Unfortunately it also kills yeast cells.

Wes

Very interesting Wes - the guy i buy my hydrogen peroxide/collodial silver sanitiser from is a keen brewer & he squirts a syringe full into the wort after adding the yeast to fire it along :blink: . I questioned the wisdom of this, but he reckons it gives him a really strong kick off to the ferment - I guess the oxygenating properties must outweigh the negatives, but can't say I've ever tried it.

cheers Ross

 

[Lindsay Dive]

Have a read of this,

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelate...s/silverad.html

I don't think I'd be squirting it anywhere near yeast.

Regards,
Lindsay.