Mountain Goat Steam Ale Clone

[Vanoontour]

Well they say a little bit of knowledge is a very dangerous thing so being half armed with google and the other half just plain interested in brewing I want to try and make a beer similiar to the MG steam ale. Planning the following:

14l fermenter
Malts:
2.8kg BestMalz Pilsner Malt (90%)
0.3kg JW Malted Wheat (10%ish)

60 min mash at 65-66 deg.
Boil for 90 mins (due to Pils malt)

Hops:
10 g Citra for 45 mins
10 g Citra for 15 mins
10 g Hallertau Mittlefruh for 15 mins
10 g Galaxy flowers at flame out for aroma.

Proposed OG 1.051
Proposed FG 1.031
IBU 30.4
EBC 7.2

But not sure what yeast? I don't have the facility to brew cold but after reseaching steam ales it seems they weren't brewed cold any way. I have heard a lager yeast brewed around 18 deg will make the beer have a 'soft' mouth feel on finish.

Ideas, thoughts, comments, suggestions?

Thanks in advance, Dan

 

[Vanoontour]

Plugged it all into BrewMate and got this...

Mountain Goats SAC
California Common Beer

Recipe Specs
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Batch Size (L): 14.0
Total Grain (kg): 3.300
Total Hops (g): 35.00
Original Gravity (OG): 1.051 (P): 12.6
Final Gravity (FG): 1.013 (P): 3.3
Alcohol by Volume (ABV): 5.01 %
Colour (SRM): 3.5 (EBC): 6.8
Bitterness (IBU): 32.7 (Average - No Chill Adjusted)
Brewhouse Efficiency (%): 70
Boil Time (Minutes): 90

Grain Bill
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3.000 kg Pilsner (90.91%)
0.300 kg Wheat Malt (9.09%)

Hop Bill
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10.0 g Citra Pellet (11.1% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes (Boil) (0.7 g/L)
5.0 g Citra Pellet (11.1% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil) (0.4 g/L)
5.0 g Hersbrucker Pellet (2.8% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Aroma) (0.4 g/L)
5.0 g Galaxy Pellet (13.4% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Aroma) (0.4 g/L)
5.0 g Galaxy Pellet (13.4% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (0.4 g/L)
5.0 g Hersbrucker Pellet (2.8% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (0.4 g/L)

Misc Bill
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Single step Infusion at 65C for 57 Minutes. Fermented at 18C with Saflager S-23
Recipe Generated with BrewMate


Any Thoughts??

Cheers, Dan

 

[///]

the Goss is US05 and Citra on dry hop ... dont be shy of 1.5gm a litre at dry hop either ...

 

[Jace89]

Ok I spoke directly to Dave about cloning this awhile ago and he gave me a quick run down:
It's 25% wheat malt and the rest is pilsner malt
Buttered with P.O.R to around 12 IBUs and the rest is a mix Galaxy, Casade and Citra
Yeast is of course Saf US-05.
Sadly I didn't have time to get other details but I have came close enough for my liking to clone this. I'll throw the recipe up later when I find it

 

[Cocko]

With my limited experience with S23, I would not be brewing with at 18! I have brewed with a few times and if the temps get a way its sulphur city..

I know thats the steam thing, to brew lager yeast warm but in my experience this is not the yeast for the job.... I don't know what is, hopefully others will for you.

Not sure about the Hersbrucker blend in there either but again, never tried so won't comment any more.

Good luck, a good steam is a great thing.

2c.



EDIT: Seems answers have come while I was posting, US05 - can't go wrong!

 

[Vanoontour]

Cheers guys was thinking the lager yeast warmer would make a slight citrus ester, but the us-05 is better suited to the temp range for sure.

Jase, would love to see the recipe, cheers

 

[technoicon]

not sure on the code but i would use American ale 2. i find it works better than us05

 

[Dazza88]

not sure on the code but i would use American ale 2. i find it works better than us05

1272 - its good stuff.

 

[technoicon]

that's it. I've found that it clears up heaps quicker than us05. and tastes the same if not better.

 

[RobH]

Tried MGSA for the first time last weekend ... was only going to have one, but had to "appreciate" a second one just to be sure
Keen to make something like this - I'm not so hot on picking the aroma style hops, but I did detect what I thought was P.O.R for the bittering.

 

[fcmcg]

Tried MGSA for the first time last weekend ... was only going to have one, but had to "appreciate" a second one just to be sure
Keen to make something like this - I'm not so hot on picking the aroma style hops, but I did detect what I thought was P.O.R for the bittering.

Isn't that what Jace said in post #4 ?
POR for bittering.....as confirmed by Dave
F

 

[RobH]

Isn't that what Jace said in post #4 ?
POR for bittering.....as confirmed by Dave
F

Yup I saw that.

 

[super_simian]

Last time I was there I was told unequivocally: They only use US05. Dry, not 1056, but US05. Not sure if that's changed, but it was within the lifetime of Steam Ale. Secondly, it takes all of 5 seconds of 'research' via the Google machine to know that MGSA is NOT A CALIFORNIA COMMON. IT IS NOT STEAM BEER. It's just a name - perhaps a little in joke, because it's an ale brewed cool, rather than a lager brewed warm. So no lager yeasts here.

 

[Jace89]

It's definitely US05 I have some yeast given directly by one of the brewers down at m-goat, it's currently 3rd gen for me but I got heaps off em! I'm sorry I havnt posted my clone yet but it'll be the first thing when I get home

 

[Jace89]

AS promised here it is:
M-Goat Clone (American Pale Ale)

Original Gravity (OG): 1.046 (P): 11.4
Final Gravity (FG): 1.012 (P): 3.1
Alcohol (ABV): 4.52 %
Colour (SRM): 3.3 (EBC): 6.4
Bitterness (IBU): 35.3 (Average)

75% Pilsner
25% Wheat Malt

0.5 g/L Pride of Ringwood (8.3% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes (Boil)
0.5 g/L Galaxy (13.4% Alpha) @ 30 Minutes (Boil)
0.4 g/L Cascade (7.8% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil)
0.4 g/L Citra (11.1% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil)
0.4 g/L Galaxy (13.4% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil)


Single step Infusion at 65C for 60 Minutes. Boil for 60 Minutes

Fermented at 18C with Safale US-05


Recipe Generated with BrewMate



Now I couldn't find the one I originally Brewmate file I had, but this was the recipe I found in my note book. I used it for my first attempt at the clone and off memory is was fairly close. So use it as a building block but this makes a killer summer ale man!

 

[Yob]

AS promised here it is:
M-Goat Clone (American Pale Ale)

Original Gravity (OG): 1.046 (P): 11.4
Final Gravity (FG): 1.012 (P): 3.1
Alcohol (ABV): 4.52 %
Colour (SRM): 3.3 (EBC): 6.4
Bitterness (IBU): 35.3 (Average)

75% Pilsner
25% Wheat Malt

0.5 g/L Pride of Ringwood (8.3% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes (Boil)
0.5 g/L Galaxy (13.4% Alpha) @ 30 Minutes (Boil)
0.4 g/L Cascade (7.8% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil)
0.4 g/L Citra (11.1% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil)
0.4 g/L Galaxy (13.4% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil)


Single step Infusion at 65C for 60 Minutes. Boil for 60 Minutes

Fermented at 18C with Safale US-05


Recipe Generated with BrewMate



Now I couldn't find the one I originally Brewmate file I had, but this was the recipe I found in my note book. I used it for my first attempt at the clone and off memory is was fairly close. So use it as a building block but this makes a killer summer ale man!

Not seeing Halletau in there... Im tring to get this beer on the go ATM as well... from the gaot website

"The Steam is a crisp, certified organic ale. We incorporate some wheat malt in the grist make up and ferment it cool. We use Hallertau and Citra hops along with a light dose of Galaxy flowers at the end. This is a conservatively hopped beer that comes in at about 28 IBUs. Great as the weather warms up. 4.5% ABV."

Yob

[edit] LINKY

 

[Vanoontour]

Thanks Jace, appreciate it man

Dan

 

[Vanoontour]

Not seeing Halletau in there... Im tring to get this beer on the go ATM as well... from the gaot website

"The Steam is a crisp, certified organic ale. We incorporate some wheat malt in the grist make up and ferment it cool. We use Hallertau and Citra hops along with a light dose of Galaxy flowers at the end. This is a conservatively hopped beer that comes in at about 28 IBU's. Great as the weather warms up. 4.5% ABV."

Yob

[edit] LINKY

That's why I put the Hal herbruker in as I reckon the mittlefruh would raise the IBU to much. It was based on the above that I had planned to bitter with the citra, confused now

 

[Jace89]

Not seeing Halletau in there... Im tring to get this beer on the go ATM as well... from the gaot website

"The Steam is a crisp, certified organic ale. We incorporate some wheat malt in the grist make up and ferment it cool. We use Hallertau and Citra hops along with a light dose of Galaxy flowers at the end. This is a conservatively hopped beer that comes in at about 28 IBU's. Great as the weather warms up. 4.5% ABV."

Yob

[edit] LINKY

Never looked at the site to be honest, just went and asked Dave after a brewery tour. By that stage I'd drunk a few pints but I did make notes and no where did I note down Halletau. I'm by know means saying that its not in there etc but I've never included it, I'm sure it would taste great in the mix and maybe that's what I'm missing
Knowing that its only 28IBU's now I'd dial back a bit on the Galaxy at 30mins, I for some reason had 35IBU's written down. I'm also fairly certain the the Pilsner malt is JW Organic Pilsner, but know I'm questioning everything....good one Yob!

Hopefully we can put our brains together and get close enough to say CLONED!

[edit] Dave also said that the hop additions/balance can change from batch to batch

 

[kymba]

thank you, sir!