My KK vs KL post was deleted - Why KK is not allowed here

[Grmblz]

Looking at it from a business perspective, what I would have done is offered the site owners double the fee to keep the opposition out and me in. That way I am free to say what I like without fear of any comeback.

So wrong on so many levels, "without fear of comeback" just look at the "comeback" KL has received here at the hands of so called non affiliated members, so that's a load of old bollocks. Offer double DUH! site admin says no, takes money from both parties and ends up in same financial situation but with two sponsors not one (ever heard of all yer eggs in a basket) oops another load of old bollocks, really awful (lmao) is that the best you can come up with? Which point btw was wealy good? Nothing persoanal here guys but a load of **** is a load of **** , and this site is sinking in it. krz has a point about sites folding, nuff said.

 

[AHB_Admin]

Keg King will be coming back as a Sponsor. I had to verify some information from the past before doing so.
And legal issues are not good to be discussed in a forum, as I have seen them hurt various parties by clever attorneys.

 

[AHB_Admin]

PS: If this thread was in the Support and Announcement forum, I would have seen it sooner.

 

[onemorecell]

Looking at it from a business perspective, what I would have done is offered the site owners double the fee to keep the opposition out and me in. That way I am free to say what I like without fear of any comeback.

that is a horrible business decision

 

[wide eyed and legless]

That's how some businesses operate especially when it comes to advertising. Another dirty trick is if a company pays out money for a stand at a show (usually about $2 -$3,000 depending on the size of the stand) the opposition pay out nothing and hand out leaflets outside the door, even using the organisers logo. Happened recently here in Melbourne.

 

[Only1MADMaN]

All I wanted was a Kegerator while shopping at my LHBS and since some advice I was given by the staff, I now have been trying to find some truth to this “KK and KL” dispute.
Looks like I have found it.

I’ve been researching Kegerators for about a month and narrowed it down to KK or KL.
KL has their prices really cheap and smashes the competition out of the game.

I asked at the LHBS about Kegerators (as I would like to support local businesses and take into account they sell KK Kegerators) and was meet with a $1600 price tag on a complete triple tap set up. When I asked about the competitive KL product I was meet with
“I would be cautious about KL as they are in court at the moment”.
Also the LHBS won’t fill CO2 bottles from KL and when asked why
“we aren’t happy with what KL is doing to the LHBS landscape”.
Nothing to do with quality or style of bottle, just not happy with a potential repeat customer being made to feel like a idiot of buying at KL.

So I walked away with a choc malt 500g bag and no Kegerator.

I have come to the conclusion that both companies are good for consumers and good for competition in the market.
I was going to buy from KL but due to every time I returned to the site to purchase the Triple Tap Kegerator, something else was out of stock.

KK had the same Triple Tap Kegerator on sale and in stock delivered to my door for the same price (mind you it was on special for about $400 less than rrp)

In the end the LHBS made $4, KL unfortunately due to stock lost a sale, KK was the Steven Bradbury of the day and I got a good deal.

KK or KL I can see me buying from both companies over the duration of my brewing days and my advice is,
Fight it out amongst yourselves but, don’t make your customers look like idiots for shopping between both stores. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs knew without Mac Microsoft couldn’t exist and Bill baled Steve out at one stage.
It’s a tough battlefield that in the end only the consumer will decide who wins.

 

[Kenf]

All I wanted was a Kegerator while shopping at my LHBS and since some advice I was given by the staff, I now have been trying to find some truth to this “KK and KL” dispute.
Looks like I have found it.

I’ve been researching Kegerators for about a month and narrowed it down to KK or KL.
KL has their prices really cheap and smashes the competition out of the game.

I asked at the LHBS about Kegerators (as I would like to support local businesses and take into account they sell KK Kegerators) and was meet with a $1600 price tag on a complete triple tap set up. When I asked about the competitive KL product I was meet with
“I would be cautious about KL as they are in court at the moment”.
Also the LHBS won’t fill CO2 bottles from KL and when asked why
“we aren’t happy with what KL is doing to the LHBS landscape”.
Nothing to do with quality or style of bottle, just not happy with a potential repeat customer being made to feel like a idiot of buying at KL.

So I walked away with a choc malt 500g bag and no Kegerator.

I have come to the conclusion that both companies are good for consumers and good for competition in the market.
I was going to buy from KL but due to every time I returned to the site to purchase the Triple Tap Kegerator, something else was out of stock.

KK had the same Triple Tap Kegerator on sale and in stock delivered to my door for the same price (mind you it was on special for about $400 less than rrp)

In the end the LHBS made $4, KL unfortunately due to stock lost a sale, KK was the Steven Bradbury of the day and I got a good deal.

KK or KL I can see me buying from both companies over the duration of my brewing days and my advice is,
Fight it out amongst yourselves but, don’t make your customers look like idiots for shopping between both stores. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs knew without Mac Microsoft couldn’t exist and Bill baled Steve out at one stage.
It’s a tough battlefield that in the end only the consumer will decide who wins.

Exactly! A few too many time recently I have been made to feel like an idiot or just a bad person because of this spat!
I noticed on the SSbrewtech site a question was asked about a certain item being made available as a spare part.
They said no because of the extremely competitive market in home brew they needed a competitive edge!
Wise words!

 

[TheBeerBaron]

All I wanted was a Kegerator while shopping at my LHBS and since some advice I was given by the staff, I now have been trying to find some truth to this “KK and KL” dispute.
Looks like I have found it.

I’ve been researching Kegerators for about a month and narrowed it down to KK or KL.
KL has their prices really cheap and smashes the competition out of the game.

I asked at the LHBS about Kegerators (as I would like to support local businesses and take into account they sell KK Kegerators) and was meet with a $1600 price tag on a complete triple tap set up. When I asked about the competitive KL product I was meet with
“I would be cautious about KL as they are in court at the moment”.
Also the LHBS won’t fill CO2 bottles from KL and when asked why
“we aren’t happy with what KL is doing to the LHBS landscape”.
Nothing to do with quality or style of bottle, just not happy with a potential repeat customer being made to feel like a idiot of buying at KL.

So I walked away with a choc malt 500g bag and no Kegerator.

I have come to the conclusion that both companies are good for consumers and good for competition in the market.
I was going to buy from KL but due to every time I returned to the site to purchase the Triple Tap Kegerator, something else was out of stock.

KK had the same Triple Tap Kegerator on sale and in stock delivered to my door for the same price (mind you it was on special for about $400 less than rrp)

In the end the LHBS made $4, KL unfortunately due to stock lost a sale, KK was the Steven Bradbury of the day and I got a good deal.

KK or KL I can see me buying from both companies over the duration of my brewing days and my advice is,
Fight it out amongst yourselves but, don’t make your customers look like idiots for shopping between both stores. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs knew without Mac Microsoft couldn’t exist and Bill baled Steve out at one stage.
It’s a tough battlefield that in the end only the consumer will decide who wins.

I saw your comment on Facebook I think and to be honest, I would be more disappointed in your LHBS. $1600 for that kegerator set up is what, almost twice the price that even KK sell them for now? so essentially they want you to pay double for nothing!? The LHBS should be upset KK were happy to take such a massive margin on their products for so long when they had the monopoly.

Also, turning away a customer for a bottle fill is just dumb business, yeah they missed the sale on the bottle but they get the fills and maybe that customer buys other stuff from the store while they are in.. instead, the customer walks out the door, they get nothing and that potential customer never returns.

I am also very wary of any business running down their competitors, although the KK / KL beef has a bit of a back story

My LHBS sells KL stuff that I have seen, probably KK stuff as well, they also sell SS Brewtech, Grainfather etc. etc. I don't think it makes sense for a store to so vehemently align themselves with one supplier and I don't think it makes sense for us as consumers to either.

 

[Only1MADMaN]

I saw your comment on Facebook I think and to be honest, I would be more disappointed in your LHBS. $1600 for that kegerator set up is what, almost twice the price that even KK sell them for now? so essentially they want you to pay double for nothing!? The LHBS should be upset KK were happy to take such a massive margin on their products for so long when they had the monopoly.

Also, turning away a customer for a bottle fill is just dumb business, yeah they missed the sale on the bottle but they get the fills and maybe that customer buys other stuff from the store while they are in.. instead, the customer walks out the door, they get nothing and that potential customer never returns.

I am also very wary of any business running down their competitors, although the KK / KL beef has a bit of a back story

My LHBS sells KL stuff that I have seen, probably KK stuff as well, they also sell SS Brewtech, Grainfather etc. etc. I don't think it makes sense for a store to so vehemently align themselves with one supplier and I don't think it makes sense for us as consumers to either.

Yep, that was me [emoji23][emoji23]
Im happy just playing the waiting game for now.
I have heard and read about of back story and I found a YouTube vid with Kei from KL in a KK shirt. So I’m sure there is some juice gossip out there.
In the end I don’t want to be aligning myself with the wrong team in the brewing Comunity but, if I have more in my pocket and the product works, I couldn’t care less what KL and KK think of each other.

 

[TheBeerBaron]

Yep, that was me [emoji23][emoji23]
Im happy just playing the waiting game for now.
I have heard and read about of back story and I found a YouTube vid with Kei from KL in a KK shirt. So I’m sure there is some juice gossip out there.
In the end I don’t want to be aligning myself with the wrong team in the brewing Comunity but, if I have more in my pocket and the product works, I couldn’t care less what KL and KK think of each other.

Exactly.

 

[onemorecell]

Also the LHBS won’t fill CO2 bottles from KL and when asked why
“we aren’t happy with what KL is doing to the LHBS landscape”.

There's a reason the owner of this shop is going to go out of business - and it's not because of kk/kl, it's because he's a moron.

Unless he wants to just sell $5 bags of grain all the time, he needs new things to sell to established brewers. kk/kl make new things. If the dude takes his blinders off, he'd realise it's a good thing

Woe is me he can't make a 400% markup on something anymore, now that the same thing is readily available on the internet for $400 instead of $1600. cry me a ******* river.

 

[Nullnvoid]

Who was the LHBS?

 

[Cian Doyle]

I would go for the KegLand kegerator, it has the tick of approval, it may be the Australian Communications tick of approval, but hey, maybe you get a free phone or something.

 

[dkril]

I would go for the KegLand kegerator, it has the tick of approval, it may be the Australian Communications tick of approval, but hey, maybe you get a free phone or something.
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Well that's no good to me. I don't have 110V power in my house.

 

[Blackman]

All I wanted was a Kegerator while shopping at my LHBS and since some advice I was given by the staff, I now have been trying to find some truth to this “KK and KL” dispute.
Looks like I have found it.

I’ve been researching Kegerators for about a month and narrowed it down to KK or KL.
KL has their prices really cheap and smashes the competition out of the game.

I asked at the LHBS about Kegerators (as I would like to support local businesses and take into account they sell KK Kegerators) and was meet with a $1600 price tag on a complete triple tap set up. When I asked about the competitive KL product I was meet with
“I would be cautious about KL as they are in court at the moment”.
Also the LHBS won’t fill CO2 bottles from KL and when asked why
“we aren’t happy with what KL is doing to the LHBS landscape”.
Nothing to do with quality or style of bottle, just not happy with a potential repeat customer being made to feel like a idiot of buying at KL.

So I walked away with a choc malt 500g bag and no Kegerator.

I have come to the conclusion that both companies are good for consumers and good for competition in the market.
I was going to buy from KL but due to every time I returned to the site to purchase the Triple Tap Kegerator, something else was out of stock.

KK had the same Triple Tap Kegerator on sale and in stock delivered to my door for the same price (mind you it was on special for about $400 less than rrp)

In the end the LHBS made $4, KL unfortunately due to stock lost a sale, KK was the Steven Bradbury of the day and I got a good deal.

KK or KL I can see me buying from both companies over the duration of my brewing days and my advice is,
Fight it out amongst yourselves but, don’t make your customers look like idiots for shopping between both stores. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs knew without Mac Microsoft couldn’t exist and Bill baled Steve out at one stage.
It’s a tough battlefield that in the end only the consumer will decide who wins.

In regards to your LHBS not filling your bottle. I get mine done at a fire services shop. It only costs $10 per kg.......cheap.

 

[Coalminer]

In regards to your LHBS not filling your bottle. I get mine done at a fire services shop. It only costs $10 per kg.......cheap.

Well, they are overcharging. I get mine done at my preferred LHBS (not the closest one either) for less than that

 

[Blackman]

Well it is less than half that of the cheapest price I have found at any brew shop. My closest brew shop wanted $130 for a change over! So I am pretty happy paying $10 per kg.

Well, they are overcharging. I get mine done at my preferred LHBS (not the closest one either) for less than that

 

[FarsideOfCrazy]

Well it is less than half that of the cheapest price I have found at any brew shop. My closest brew shop wanted $130 for a change over! So I am pretty happy paying $10 per kg.

$130! Tell 'em his dreaming.

 

[TheBeerBaron]

$130! Tell 'em his dreaming.

Perhaps this is why people are abandoning the LHBS when they're getting ripped like this..

 

[Grmblz]

My local charges $75 for 6kg, $60 is a bargain, as for the moron trying to charge $130 for a change over, he'll be one of the many bankrupt fuckwits that will blame Kegland for his demise.

 

[GrumpyPaul]

I get my 6kg filled by local fire extinguisher mob. They charge me a dozen cans of megaswill.

It almost kills me to buy VB... But it's worth it for a cheap refill.

 

[soreba]

for me, $50 for a 6.8kg swap... So not all LHBS overcharging.

 

[damof]

Well it is less than half that of the cheapest price I have found at any brew shop. My closest brew shop wanted $130 for a change over! So I am pretty happy paying $10 per kg.

Early on I went to one of the recommended sites from KL's page. And got charged $100 + GST. That was before I knew what the going rate was and it was my first refill. Not a LHBS, but a fire exhtinguisher mob. Ended finding someone a 40min drive away for $50 cash for 6kg.

 

[Blackman]

Thats reasonable. Can you tell us who they are or where they are?

 

[CKK]

Thats reasonable. Can you tell us who they are or where they are?

If you can make it to Keg King we charge $56 for the 6Kg or $12 per kilo for those who don't have our cylinders

 

[Bob65]

Thats reasonable. Can you tell us who they are or where they are?

Couple weeks ago I did a swap of a 2.6kg? KK bottle at Country Brewer near me for $29 (they said same price for either swap or refill if you want to leave it with them o/night). If there is one near you give them a call on how much a 6kg bottle swap is.

 

[Blackman]

If you can make it to Keg King we charge $56 for the 6Kg or $12 per kilo for those who don't have our cylinders

I have one of your 2.6 bottles. How much per kilo for that. I live down past Phillip Is. Not exactly local to you guys so would be just getting the bottle topped up when coming past.

 

[CKK]

I have one of your 2.6 bottles. How much per kilo for that. I live down past Phillip Is. Not exactly local to you guys so would be just getting the bottle topped up when coming past.

You cannot top up a CO2 bottle. Before you fill it must be completely empty. Your best solution is to get a spare bottle as they are only $67.95 I think and just fully use and then swap it when you come past.

 

[Josh Dodd]

I just get my bottle refilled at the local BOC gas centre. $50 for a 6l, takes 10 minutes, is 5 mins from work and I can avoid the whole KK/KL/LHBS nonsense. I buy from whoever has what I want for the lowest price just like in every other walk of life. I ain’t running a charity

 

[wide eyed and legless]

I just get my bottle refilled at the local BOC gas centre. $50 for a 6l, takes 10 minutes, is 5 mins from work and I can avoid the whole KK/KL/LHBS nonsense. I buy from whoever has what I want for the lowest price just like in every other walk of life. I ain’t running a charity

Bwahaha, have a look at your own previous posts.