fishingbrad
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+1. I no longer beat myself up about how much I drink. The kids are feed and clothed, all bills are paid, I work a full time job. I have nothing to be ashamed of.
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+1. I no longer beat myself up about how much I drink. The kids are feed and clothed, all bills are paid, I work a full time job. I have nothing to be ashamed of.
When I lived at Old Bar my Bulgarian GP said that only about a third of heavy drinkers go on to develop liver disorders, and it's mostly genetic if you do.
If you want to see real drunks, he said, go to Bulgaria and see what they do on the plum brandy.
ABS figures 2015: deaths from alcoholic liver disease: 1,857 - out of around 18 million adults, I'll take a punt thank you.
Interestingly, deaths from dementia: 12,625
So get into the grog before you forget where the kegerator is
If you want to see real drunks, he said, go to Bulgaria and see what they do on the plum brandy.
ABS figures 2015: deaths from alcoholic liver disease: 1,857 - out of around 18 million adults, I'll take a punt thank you.
Interestingly, deaths from dementia: 12,625
So get into the grog before you forget where the kegerator is
thumbsucker
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Doctormcbrewdle - What I am about to say will offend, however asking for advice about moderation on a forum populated by people who produce their own alcohol is going to result in an extreme bias in the data. Its like asking junkies if their meth usage is normal, "yes it is" will be the response. In Australia alcoholism is celebrated as part of masculinity and male identity if you do not drink hard and heavy your some-kind of fag.
I have a brother who is an alcoholic he drinks at least one bottle of hard spirits a night sometimes more, then he feels like a man and wants to fight. I have a sister who is a heroin junky she lives on the streets doing what ever she needs to get her fix (I come from a violent, broken and abused family). My grandfather on my mother side died in his early 40's from alcohol abuse brought on from PTSD suffered in WW2. I know first hand what addiction is and how it kills, I once watched a young man overdose and die many years ago in Kings Cross right in front of me. Alcoholism is just a slower more sociable normative method of doing what that young man did.
If something does not make you feel good then stop doing it, it you feel you have a problem controlling your consumption then seek help. Just because its a hobby is not a good enough reason to keep doing something. Join a sports club, do woodworking, play video games, go camping, bush walking, find something that you love and makes you happy.
Just for the record I drink beer, but its limited to 2 standard drinks every 3 or more days. I go to the gym, I do martial arts and I love doing woodworking. If alcohol was banned today I would just say who cares and move on.
Bribie G you are cherry picking data, alcoholic liver disease is 100% avoidable their should be ZERO death from alcohol anything. Dementia is a natural degenerative process and cannot be mitigated by any known actions.
I have a brother who is an alcoholic he drinks at least one bottle of hard spirits a night sometimes more, then he feels like a man and wants to fight. I have a sister who is a heroin junky she lives on the streets doing what ever she needs to get her fix (I come from a violent, broken and abused family). My grandfather on my mother side died in his early 40's from alcohol abuse brought on from PTSD suffered in WW2. I know first hand what addiction is and how it kills, I once watched a young man overdose and die many years ago in Kings Cross right in front of me. Alcoholism is just a slower more sociable normative method of doing what that young man did.
If something does not make you feel good then stop doing it, it you feel you have a problem controlling your consumption then seek help. Just because its a hobby is not a good enough reason to keep doing something. Join a sports club, do woodworking, play video games, go camping, bush walking, find something that you love and makes you happy.
Just for the record I drink beer, but its limited to 2 standard drinks every 3 or more days. I go to the gym, I do martial arts and I love doing woodworking. If alcohol was banned today I would just say who cares and move on.
Bribie G you are cherry picking data, alcoholic liver disease is 100% avoidable their should be ZERO death from alcohol anything. Dementia is a natural degenerative process and cannot be mitigated by any known actions.
homebrewnewb
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early on-set dementia in 30 year old people is natural?
keeping active is a bit of a winner too.
i will just have a quick edit to add Portual and their decriminalization stats of ALL narcotics from 2001. Basically from the highest needle usage in Europe to the lowest in just 20 years. Seems people are more inclined find a way to get help if they can and are not stigmatized or put into the slammer, it's not a criminal issue it's disease, epidemiological kind of on our own making, that people can curb if there's support in place.
i guess if you think you need help - try.
also, if you join a sports club don't get up set if you suck at it... keep at it.
keeping active is a bit of a winner too.
i will just have a quick edit to add Portual and their decriminalization stats of ALL narcotics from 2001. Basically from the highest needle usage in Europe to the lowest in just 20 years. Seems people are more inclined find a way to get help if they can and are not stigmatized or put into the slammer, it's not a criminal issue it's disease, epidemiological kind of on our own making, that people can curb if there's support in place.
i guess if you think you need help - try.
also, if you join a sports club don't get up set if you suck at it... keep at it.
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technobabble66
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As a followup to @thumbsucker , all the males in my mum's side of the family have been alcoholics, and all have died prematurely of alcohol-related causes.
So i've got a pretty strong family history to be wary of. And the health impact is irrefutable. (NB: the same "experts" reporting the health impact of alcohol are also the same ones that reported the dangers of smoking).
OTOH, I really like my beers, so i endeavour to keep an eye on consumption and not let it get out of control. This is an hobby i love and would like to keep doing it for many more decades. To do this i'm simply mindful of the health impact and addictive nature of the booze, and try to manage it to a level i'm happy with.
I suppose some of the trick of it is to try to monitor yourself without being too biased by something you really enjoy.
So i've got a pretty strong family history to be wary of. And the health impact is irrefutable. (NB: the same "experts" reporting the health impact of alcohol are also the same ones that reported the dangers of smoking).
OTOH, I really like my beers, so i endeavour to keep an eye on consumption and not let it get out of control. This is an hobby i love and would like to keep doing it for many more decades. To do this i'm simply mindful of the health impact and addictive nature of the booze, and try to manage it to a level i'm happy with.
I suppose some of the trick of it is to try to monitor yourself without being too biased by something you really enjoy.
Grott
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thumbsucker
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Age does not exempt one from onslaught of nature, morality, gender or creed does not exempt you from nature. We all suffer disease, half of us will die from cancer, nature can strike at any age. A kid dying from cancer is as natural as geriatric dying from cancer. There will be few of us who will who will live into old age without some form of medical issue. Not smoking, limiting meat, eating more fish and vegetables combined with regular sustained exercise and limiting alcohol consumption will improve your odds of getting to an old age in reasonable condition. However old age is not terminal.
There are some guys lets say inspirational guys who make it to old age in style. I bit of a minor celebrity in bodybuilding is a guy who calls himself scooby here is a photo of him aged 50 years old 100% natural.
Then there is a guy named Jim Morris this photo was taken of him when he was 75 years old he died at age 80 peacefully in his sleep at home, he was also openly gay, vegan & black in a sport dominated by white males. Among the titles Morris won are: Mr. USA (1972), AAU Mr. America (1973), Mr. International (1974), and Mr. Olympia Masters Over 60 (1996).
IF they looks that good at 75 what excuse do any of use have.
One of my favourite quotes is "if people were horses most of us would have been shoot"
Healthy lifestyle choice do count, embrace life.
There are some guys lets say inspirational guys who make it to old age in style. I bit of a minor celebrity in bodybuilding is a guy who calls himself scooby here is a photo of him aged 50 years old 100% natural.
Then there is a guy named Jim Morris this photo was taken of him when he was 75 years old he died at age 80 peacefully in his sleep at home, he was also openly gay, vegan & black in a sport dominated by white males. Among the titles Morris won are: Mr. USA (1972), AAU Mr. America (1973), Mr. International (1974), and Mr. Olympia Masters Over 60 (1996).
IF they looks that good at 75 what excuse do any of use have.
One of my favourite quotes is "if people were horses most of us would have been shoot"
Healthy lifestyle choice do count, embrace life.
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homebrewnewb
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great half naked men, thanks for that.
HaveFun
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i drink when i feel like it
monday to thursday between 3-5, Friday to Sunday till i have enough
I stay away of the spirits plus one of the milk thistle tablets each day and it will be fine
cheers
Stefan
monday to thursday between 3-5, Friday to Sunday till i have enough
I stay away of the spirits plus one of the milk thistle tablets each day and it will be fine
cheers
Stefan
homebrewnewb
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thumbsucker
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maybe this is more to your taste - I could not find a picture of a fat naked & drunk woman without being pornagraphic but maybe thats a good thing.
Either way it goes with todays marriage survey results
Either way it goes with todays marriage survey results
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Grott
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, if at my age I looked like those two muscle guys I’d know what a ******* boring life I was leading. (It’s my opinion in terms of my life style, for others it may be envy).
My one fear of departure from this earth is there may some beer left in the kegs.
My one fear of departure from this earth is there may some beer left in the kegs.
Grott
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maybe this is more to your taste
Either way it goes with the marriage survey results
Could have done his shirt up.
Nullnvoid
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awful lot of work to get over a DUI...
but seriously drink as much as you want... doesn't make you any more or less or a person if you drink more or less than the next bloke. and like anything, do it in moderation, especially if you're going to get stupid drunk
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My will states that any beer remaining in my kegs is to be served and consumed at the wake of my funeral.
If I get enough advance notice about my demise I'll brew a Funerale for the wake. Whoever gets to empty the cornie first can take it home to their brewhouse.
Come to think about it I'll do six Funerales and all AHB members invited to wake.
Come to think about it I'll do six Funerales and all AHB members invited to wake.
Grott
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Just had a great thought, any left in the keg, embalm me.
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It's funny you should mention this, I watched a docco on two twin Brothers, one drank 12 beers in a sitting, the other 12 waters. They both pissed exactly the same amount of urine which pretty much proved that dehydration is not the cause of a hangover (though there are probably some who would argue this)
They also did another test where one would drink 14 beers in one sitting once a week, the other 2 beers per night and then had their blood tested. Both had exactly the same increase in body swelling and liver enzyme increase, so that proved that you don't have to binge drink to suffer damage.
The last test was done with those who have the genes you speak of here, in which case they do not get hangover's. I'm unfortunately not one of these people! it was very interesting
They also did another test where one would drink 14 beers in one sitting once a week, the other 2 beers per night and then had their blood tested. Both had exactly the same increase in body swelling and liver enzyme increase, so that proved that you don't have to binge drink to suffer damage.
The last test was done with those who have the genes you speak of here, in which case they do not get hangover's. I'm unfortunately not one of these people!
it was very interesting
homebrewnewb
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ah, but the alcohol (hydroxide break down if i recall correctly) disrupts the brain function regulating the nephron (kidney/renal function) which tells the kidney to concentrate the urine, so not entirely true.
the alcohol doesn't dehydrate you per se it's just not a very good hydrator - see above.
you would urinate the same however water person's would be filtered/concentrated.
drunky's would not.
for once i paid attention in biology was high school so likely wrong.
the alcohol doesn't dehydrate you per se it's just not a very good hydrator - see above.
you would urinate the same however water person's would be filtered/concentrated.
drunky's would not.
for once i paid attention in biology was high school so likely wrong.
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