Fermzilla

[clickeral]

I wonder if KL have any concerns about what they produce. Those stress fractures won't get better they will get worse.
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Beer Baron has been quiet I wonder if he is having problems?

Playing devils advocate here but my main challenge with both versions is you never know how they have been used

Normal fermentors are pretty idiot proof and can be abused, these fermenters need slightly more finesse. Howver due to the pricepoint and marketing/availability a large audience buy them. Normal plastic fermentors have issues too but they are not catastrophic or overly dangerous.

How do we know the ones failing havent had liquid over the temp spec, have they been exposed to chemicals or uv which weakens the plastic etc, have they been cooled quickly from to high a temp etc.

However it could also be a bad batch which happens but id expect the QC to be higher to prevent this

Even stainless can have issues if not properly used (vaccum buckling the vessal etc)

 

[onemorecell]

We were not talking about serving. You were telling me to give the FKJ a go so that I don't have to do something which takes a few seconds with my fermzilla, which I use as a fermenter. Stop moving the goalposts. The FKJ may be a great product, but it is not a replacement for anything in the fermzilla range. To me it's like a spork, something that does an ok job at 2 things but not great at either of them. If it works for you, that's great, but it doesnt change anything to do with the fermzilla, which is the subject of this thread.

why you gotta bring sporks into it?
king of all utensils

 

[clickeral]

why you gotta bring sporks into it?
king of all utensils

What about splades

 

[wide eyed and legless]

Playing devils advocate here but my main challenge with both versions is you never know how they have been used

Normal fermentors are pretty idiot proof and can be abused, these fermenters need slightly more finesse. Howver due to the pricepoint and marketing/availability a large audience buy them. Normal plastic fermentors have issues too but they are not catastrophic or overly dangerous.

How do we know the ones failing havent had liquid over the temp spec, have they been exposed to chemicals or uv which weakens the plastic etc, have they been cooled quickly from to high a temp etc.

However it could also be a bad batch which happens but id expect the QC to be higher to prevent this

Even stainless can have issues if not properly used (vaccum buckling the vessal etc)

I think we do know the ones failing haven't had been abused by hotter than spec water, chemicals, problems with UV or been to quickly cooled from a high temperature, just going by the law of averages there should be roughly the same listed complaints and photos about the
Fementasaurus/Fermenter king. On the other hand the idiots who should have been buying the idiot proof ones you mentioned could have all decided en masse to go out and by a FermZilla.

 

[clickeral]

I think we do know the ones failing haven't had been abused by hotter than spec water, chemicals, problems with UV or been to quickly cooled from a high temperature, just going by the law of averages there should be roughly the same listed complaints and photos about the
Fementasaurus/Fermenter king. On the other hand the idiots who should have been buying the idiot proof ones you mentioned could have all decided en masse to go out and by a FermZilla.

Just putting it out there is all, personally I looked at the all-rounder as an option as some of the features did appeal.
However based on the reviews and feedback I've seenI did go with the snub nose instead. That was also partly to do with the fact the g3 option (which ill be getting the upgrade kit for) looks pretty stout.

The ones with issues from some sources can be product faults, however I would say that there is potential for user error as well.

Its very easy for people to blame a product when things go wrong.

I actually still like my standard plastic Fermenters (and I'm not a fan of plastic in general) because putting boiling wort into them isn't an issue, making kit and kilo straight into them with boiled water is fine etc.

However im focusing more on consistency at the moment so need to remove oxygen exposure post ferment. Though I may see if a I can get one of my old Fermenters to take a few psi as an experiment.

Long term ill go to stainless but that's me

 

[Lorenzo99]

No wonder this forum gets a bad wrap.... It's full of the same pathetic people from both sides arguing over kegland and keg king. Like the majority of people, I am over it and wish we could just discuss brewing from an unbiased point of view.

 

[malt and barley blues]

No wonder this forum gets a bad wrap.... It's full of the same pathetic people from both sides arguing over kegland and keg king. Like the majority of people, I am over it and wish we could just discuss brewing from an unbiased point of view.

I would call them reviews, more honest apparently then the reviews Keg Land post about their own goods on their website.

 

[awfulknauful]

I would call them reviews, more honest apparently then the reviews Keg Land post about their own goods on their website.

As you say reviews, would it be Keg King I would post up the same pics, probably is upsetting for those who have bought the FermZilla, like Lorenzo99. I bought one too and was far from happy with the quality. Moving on another review.

Only been used twice!

 

[enoch]

I think I found my all rounder leak! The lid is molded and there was a little fillet at the mold join that runs through the o ring channel and creates a little void behind the o-ring that gas can get around.
Photo below is after I removed the worst of the fillet.

I then put some lube in the channel and put the o ring back on.
Has passed the leak test so far...

 

[TheBeerBaron]

I wonder if KL have any concerns about what they produce. Those stress fractures won't get better they will get worse.
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Beer Baron has been quiet I wonder if he is having problems?

I commented on that thread.. My FermZilla has the same stress marks in it. Unfortunately, I ruined it by letting it soak in the wrong chemicals which ate the lower cone seal so I've replaced it with an All Rounder for now. Before that however it was still going strong however

Captain douche lord CEO chimed in as well as is his want to do accusing me of drinking the KegLand cool aid even though I was being critical of these marks in the FermZilla.

SO maybe you can send him a screen shot of this in your little Keg-King-Circle-Jerk chat you all likely have

 

[CKK]

I commented on that thread.. My FermZilla has the same stress marks in it. Unfortunately, I ruined it by letting it soak in the wrong chemicals which ate the lower cone seal so I've replaced it with an All Rounder for now. Before that however it was still going strong however

Captain douche lord CEO chimed in as well as is his want to do accusing me of drinking the KegLand cool aid even though I was being critical of these marks in the FermZilla.

SO maybe you can send him a screen shot of this in your little Keg-King-Circle-Jerk chat you all likely have

No doubt that Kegland cool aid is habit forming and hence my sadness that I cannot get you to quit. We do have something that will cure it quick smart though - its called no ********.

 

[mynameisrodney]

As you say reviews, would it be Keg King I would post up the same pics, probably is upsetting for those who have bought the FermZilla, like Lorenzo99. I bought one too and was far from happy with the quality. Moving on another review.
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Only been used twice!

Out of curiosity how tight is that handle done up? On mine I stopped as soon as it had just grabbed on the neck. Over tightening the handle will put stress on the neck, I wonder if this is a contributing factor to the failures. Ideally it would be designed so that it couldn't happen.

 

[Nullnvoid]

Hehehehe, he heard his name and came running

 

[awfulknauful]

Hehehehe, he heard his name and came running

He did didn't he, though he sounds more like a jilted lover than a purchaser of faulty goods, he even says the stress fractures are his fault for using the wrong chemical. As if that would cause stress fractures, 10 out of 10 for loyalty for someone he has never met.

 

[RRising]

Out of curiosity how tight is that handle done up? On mine I stopped as soon as it had just grabbed on the neck. Over tightening the handle will put stress on the neck, I wonder if this is a contributing factor to the failures. Ideally it would be designed so that it couldn't happen.

This is what i was thinking, looks like they may have over tightened the handle and caused some hairline cracks which pressure fermenting probably exacerbated.

 

[CKK]

Out of curiosity how tight is that handle done up? On mine I stopped as soon as it had just grabbed on the neck. Over tightening the handle will put stress on the neck, I wonder if this is a contributing factor to the failures. Ideally it would be designed so that it couldn't happen.

Those stress cracks occur when you reheat the PET whilst the threaded part stays cooler during the two stage process. The production process is not suitable to make pressure vessels.

 

[awfulknauful]

Out of curiosity how tight is that handle done up? On mine I stopped as soon as it had just grabbed on the neck. Over tightening the handle will put stress on the neck, I wonder if this is a contributing factor to the failures. Ideally it would be designed so that it couldn't happen.

The stress fractures were on mine out of the box and I never got any handles.

 

[Nullnvoid]

He did didn't he, though he sounds more like a jilted lover than a purchaser of faulty goods, he even says the stress fractures are his fault for using the wrong chemical. As if that would cause stress fractures, 10 out of 10 for loyalty for someone he has never met.

I think you're aware, but I was talking about Captain Douche Lord.

 

[ozdevil]

No wonder this forum gets a bad wrap.... It's full of the same pathetic people from both sides arguing over kegland and keg king. Like the majority of people, I am over it and wish we could just discuss brewing from an unbiased point of view.

Spot on, its not even entertaining now between keg king and kegland and some of the people here.

if i was solely trying to rely on these forums to go through kegland or keg king i wouldnt purchase from either store.

i teell you what keg king and kegland both companies should be dam ashamed of themselves

i have only just got back into brewing, and lucky for me i knew exactly what i wanted and where to get it...
but if i was newcomer to home brewing and entered this forum and i seen 2 homebrew shops go head to toe whinging about each other
regardless who is right or who is wrong, it would have turn me off brewing as i would think whats the point of buying gear of homebrew shop as all they do is whinge about eacher other

time to grow up keg king and kegland.
there is room for the both of ya's in corona town

i am sure both can give constructive advice and also learn from each other to help us mere little homebrewers out..


and its just not the 2 companies either its some members as well

 

[mynameisrodney]

The stress fractures were on mine out of the box and I never got any handles.

Ah bugger. Thought that was an easily fixed cause.

 

[mynameisrodney]

Those stress cracks occur when you reheat the PET whilst the threaded part stays cooler during the two stage process. The production process is not suitable to make pressure vessels.

Isn't it the same way coke bottles are made?

 

[awfulknauful]

I think you're aware, but I was talking about Captain Douche Lord.

Wasn't aware, thought you was talking about KL's number one ticket holder Beer Baron. Who is Captain Douche Lord?

 

[CKK]

Isn't it the same way coke bottles are made?

Yes but the volume they hold is much smaller so the relative strength is much higher. Also the coke is not fermenting any more because if it was then you would have a really big problem.

 

[Nullnvoid]

Wasn't aware, thought you was talking about KL's number one ticket holder Beer Baron. Who is Captain Douche Lord?

LOL

 

[CKK]

Spot on, its not even entertaining now between keg king and kegland and some of the people here.

if i was solely trying to rely on these forums to go through kegland or keg king i wouldnt purchase from either store.

i teell you what keg king and kegland both companies should be dam ashamed of themselves

i have only just got back into brewing, and lucky for me i knew exactly what i wanted and where to get it...
but if i was newcomer to home brewing and entered this forum and i seen 2 homebrew shops go head to toe whinging about each other
regardless who is right or who is wrong, it would have turn me off brewing as i would think whats the point of buying gear of homebrew shop as all they do is whinge about eacher other

time to grow up keg king and kegland.
there is room for the both of ya's in corona town

i am sure both can give constructive advice and also learn from each other to help us mere little homebrewers out..


and its just not the 2 companies either its some members as well

Maybe you can explain what Keg King has done to be ashamed of? Expose falsehoods about its products maybe? We should be ashamed of ourselves for showing people how a chinese entity uses our name at www.kegking.cn perhaps? Or how our trademarks are being used by another business without our permission? Go and take a look at the Kegland Q and A thread here and see how their own followers are pointing out fake reviews etc. Sorry but there is no shame for doing the right thing and we are happy to help many a new or experienced brewer to get what they need and we don't need to plagiarise or copy.

 

[onemorecell]

Maybe you can explain what Keg King has done to be ashamed of?

How about saying **** like "We would not go to another company's thread to talk ****"
And then shortly after, doing this

Or how about making false accounts to disparage keg land?

You got a short memory mate.

 

[mynameisrodney]

Yes but the volume they hold is much smaller so the relative strength is much higher. Also the coke is not fermenting any more because if it was then you would have a really big problem.

The vessel doesn't care whether or not fermentation is occurring, it cares about the pressure. Coke at room temp is like 50 or 60 psi. Well higher than what is being used to ferment under pressure. The relative strength of a smaller vessel might be higher, but wall thickness is not the same between them.

There may be intricacies you left out, but saying that this production method is no good for making pressure vessels is simply untrue.

 

[Nullnvoid]

Maybe you can explain what Keg King has done to be ashamed of? Expose falsehoods about its products maybe? We should be ashamed of ourselves for showing people how a chinese entity uses our name at www.kegking.cn perhaps? Or how our trademarks are being used by another business without our permission? Go and take a look at the Kegland Q and A thread here and see how their own followers are pointing out fake reviews etc. Sorry but there is no shame for doing the right thing and we are happy to help many a new or experienced brewer to get what they need and we don't need to plagiarise or copy.

Think you just summed it up right there as to what keg king should be ashamed off.

Letting you near a computer.

 

[CKK]

The vessel doesn't care whether or not fermentation is occurring, it cares about the pressure. Coke at room temp is like 50 or 60 psi. Well higher than what is being used to ferment under pressure. The relative strength of a smaller vessel might be higher, but wall thickness is not the same between them.

There may be intricacies you left out, but saying that this production method is no good for making pressure vessels is simply untrue.

OK then amend it to large pressure vessels if we are to split hairs. The relative wall thickness to the contained pressure means its safe for a small vessel like a coke bottle to use a reheated polymer but when you have something 27-55 times bigger it is not unless you make the walls much, much thicker.

 

[ozdevil]

Maybe you can explain what Keg King has done to be ashamed of? Expose falsehoods about its products maybe? We should be ashamed of ourselves for showing people how a chinese entity uses our name at www.kegking.cn perhaps? Or how our trademarks are being used by another business without our permission? Go and take a look at the Kegland Q and A thread here and see how their own followers are pointing out fake reviews etc. Sorry but there is no shame for doing the right thing and we are happy to help many a new or experienced brewer to get what they need and we don't need to plagiarise or copy.

Do you really think this is for the forum, to defend your issues with kegland and involving others if someone is using your products under their name or abusing your trademark take through the courts not in in a public forum its not doing you any favours nor does do any favours to kegland

fake reviews people are showing of kegland hasnt really got anything to do with keg king unless you are doing the same.


everyone has a right to defend themselves wether they are right or wrong