Vic Xmas 2009 Case Swap - Tasting Thread
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WarmBeer
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11 - WarmBeer - ESB
I'm going to review my own beer before any other feedback, because, as somebody rightfully said, it's good form to taste your own beers before giving them to others. With that in mind, I preceded this beer with a "Trial" batch that I simply scaled up, and accounted for the difference in %AA of the hops.
The beer pours with very little head, pretty much a thin white lining around the edge of the top of the glass, although it is persistent. Very few small bubbles raising through the glass.
Colour is a dark copper to amber, but quite murky. I'm not sure if this is due to the particular strain of yeast (Wyeast 1968) or due to the several rousings of the yeast during fermentation. I have the same issue with the trial batch, but it does not bother me in the slightest.
Fuggles are slightly discernable in the aroma, but mostly the yeast character.
Taste is bitter at first, then the quite sweet maltiness comes through, although the bitterness stays on the tongue after the malt has faded. Carbonation is low, this is by design.
I brew beers to suit my own tastes (der!), and this is how I like my beers. Flat, warm, and flavourful.
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I'm going to review my own beer before any other feedback, because, as somebody rightfully said, it's good form to taste your own beers before giving them to others. With that in mind, I preceded this beer with a "Trial" batch that I simply scaled up, and accounted for the difference in %AA of the hops.
The beer pours with very little head, pretty much a thin white lining around the edge of the top of the glass, although it is persistent. Very few small bubbles raising through the glass.
Colour is a dark copper to amber, but quite murky. I'm not sure if this is due to the particular strain of yeast (Wyeast 1968) or due to the several rousings of the yeast during fermentation. I have the same issue with the trial batch, but it does not bother me in the slightest.
Fuggles are slightly discernable in the aroma, but mostly the yeast character.
Taste is bitter at first, then the quite sweet maltiness comes through, although the bitterness stays on the tongue after the malt has faded. Carbonation is low, this is by design.
I brew beers to suit my own tastes (der!), and this is how I like my beers. Flat, warm, and flavourful.
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manticle
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I'm quite looking forward to a low carbed, non hoppy english style. What temp would you recommend for drinking?
@Kleiny - Thanks for the feedback. Might try mashing a touch hotter next time to up the body a smidgeon. Glad you enjoyed.
@Kleiny - Thanks for the feedback. Might try mashing a touch hotter next time to up the body a smidgeon. Glad you enjoyed.
WarmBeer
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I just take it out of the fridge 10 to 15 mins beforehand.
manticle
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I'll do something similar. What should I wear while I drink it? Which direction should I face? Does it go with mustard?
And who is that odd fellow standing at the back of the room?
And who is that odd fellow standing at the back of the room?
WarmBeer
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Mu-mu. North-by-north-west. Yes, but mayonnaise elevates it to another level.
It's your strange uncle-in-law, Bruce. He want's his 70's porn collection back, now!
:lol:
Edit: Off to bed, brain's kinda soaked now.
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With no PC at home, I've been unable to post tasting thoughts at the time, so here's a summary/rambling of a few more to date...
1. Kleiny - Munich Helles
Beautiful beer. This bloke does ze German beers well. Cristal clear, good carb. Low noble hop aroma, but a distinctive "German" malt character that, as someone has already stated, is not dissimilar to many a commercial example. How do you get this character Kleiny? I don't get it with Weyermann Pils malt on it's own. Fermentation character was high-class, though I detected the slightest yeast character as it warmed. Nothing a good long lagering wouldn't fix up.
Sensational effort.
3. Seemax - Kiwi Pale Ale
Dooooh. Bad luck with this one. Rubber, band-aids and phenolics are evident of a post-primary infection. Don't need to harp on about it. I suspect there's an issue with your post-fermentation handling and sanitation (some loogies lurking about in a tap/hose somewhere maybe).
5. Fourstar - Reunification Express, Viet Rice Lager
Another stellar beer, possibly too well made for comparison to the commercial examples. Commercially you often get a bit of the old cat's piss (skunked) and slight yeast autolysis character (high-temp lager fermentation). With your's, there's none of this. To quote 4* it's "uber" clean, and "uber" enjoyable. Slight chill-haze (bottle was crystal clear before going into the fridge), and very slight sulphur on the nose - both indicative of a shorter than ideal lagering time. Hardly a criticism, given we all put down beers wihin a few months or less from the case-swap.
I think this beer is the perfect summer quaffer for sitting around on a hot day. There is nothing objectionable about it, very clean and crisp, with a very nice hop presence that lingers in the background.
Another sensational effort.
11. Warmbeer -ESB
Memories getting a little clouded, but this was another very tasty drop. English through and through, with balanced hop aromas, and fruity yeast character. Initial impretion was that you'd used one of the more pungent Yorkshire yeasts (WY 1187, WY1469) though I'm surprised to read it was 1968 ESB. Especially surprised that this was essentially an extract beer - marvelous job! Only criticism would be the slightly excessive use of dark "cara" malts, which lend a dominant toasty character to the malt flavour. That's probably just a personal preference thing. You can easily acheive the same colour with a small handfull of very dark roasted malt (say carafa special).
Very noice - I wish I had another bottle of this for the next cold and rainy day.
15. Don Mateo - Hefeweizen
Another stellar Hefe from this brewer, who obviously knows this style well (judging from previous case-swaps). The phenolics were well restrained, though very pleasant. Fermentation was evidently well controlled, with good yeast management. What yeast was this Don? This beer went down very nicely last night in the heat, and my wife (wheat/wit beer lover) gave it the thumbs up. Nothing much more I can say - a fine example of a Hefe.
Cheers.
1. Kleiny - Munich Helles
Beautiful beer. This bloke does ze German beers well. Cristal clear, good carb. Low noble hop aroma, but a distinctive "German" malt character that, as someone has already stated, is not dissimilar to many a commercial example. How do you get this character Kleiny? I don't get it with Weyermann Pils malt on it's own. Fermentation character was high-class, though I detected the slightest yeast character as it warmed. Nothing a good long lagering wouldn't fix up.
Sensational effort.
3. Seemax - Kiwi Pale Ale
Dooooh. Bad luck with this one. Rubber, band-aids and phenolics are evident of a post-primary infection. Don't need to harp on about it. I suspect there's an issue with your post-fermentation handling and sanitation (some loogies lurking about in a tap/hose somewhere maybe).
5. Fourstar - Reunification Express, Viet Rice Lager
Another stellar beer, possibly too well made for comparison to the commercial examples. Commercially you often get a bit of the old cat's piss (skunked) and slight yeast autolysis character (high-temp lager fermentation). With your's, there's none of this. To quote 4* it's "uber" clean, and "uber" enjoyable. Slight chill-haze (bottle was crystal clear before going into the fridge), and very slight sulphur on the nose - both indicative of a shorter than ideal lagering time. Hardly a criticism, given we all put down beers wihin a few months or less from the case-swap.
I think this beer is the perfect summer quaffer for sitting around on a hot day. There is nothing objectionable about it, very clean and crisp, with a very nice hop presence that lingers in the background.
Another sensational effort.
11. Warmbeer -ESB
Memories getting a little clouded, but this was another very tasty drop. English through and through, with balanced hop aromas, and fruity yeast character. Initial impretion was that you'd used one of the more pungent Yorkshire yeasts (WY 1187, WY1469) though I'm surprised to read it was 1968 ESB. Especially surprised that this was essentially an extract beer - marvelous job! Only criticism would be the slightly excessive use of dark "cara" malts, which lend a dominant toasty character to the malt flavour. That's probably just a personal preference thing. You can easily acheive the same colour with a small handfull of very dark roasted malt (say carafa special).
Very noice - I wish I had another bottle of this for the next cold and rainy day.
15. Don Mateo - Hefeweizen
Another stellar Hefe from this brewer, who obviously knows this style well (judging from previous case-swaps). The phenolics were well restrained, though very pleasant. Fermentation was evidently well controlled, with good yeast management. What yeast was this Don? This beer went down very nicely last night in the heat, and my wife (wheat/wit beer lover) gave it the thumbs up. Nothing much more I can say - a fine example of a Hefe.
Cheers.
brendo
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2. Maple's Rye Ipa - Judged as 14B (US IPA)
I chose to judge this as a US IPA, rather than specialty as the BJCP guidelines suggested.
Aroma 9/12
First impressions were an assualt of US hop aromas - citrusy and piney, very hop forward. Malt character was initially low, but came our more as the sample warmed with some caramel and spicy notes. No detectable yeast based esters - nice and clean.
Appearance 2/3
Good dense, off white head upon pouring which hangs around throughout the glass, providing some nice lacing along the way.
Mid copper colour - mild haze initially, which I put down to hops, however as the sample warmed it did become clearer, so perhaps there is a slight chill haze in the beer. Either way, not a problem for style, but something to consider. Legs evident which indicate higher alcohol content, which is appropriate for style.
Flavour 15/20
Citrusy US hop character, assertive bitterness which is supported by good malt sweetness and caramel notes. Spicey rye character comes out more as it warms which adds to the bitterness levels - balance is definitely towards the hops, which I like. Hops were a little resinous and provided some coating on the teeth, but wasn't over the top. Some sweetness also evident from alcohol. No detectable fermentation flaws, pretty clean.
Mouthfeel 4.5/5
Smooth, medium body with a pleasing moderate carbonation level which nicely promotes the hop bitterness. Some alcohol warming qualities as i drink through the sample - which is appropriate. Finishes relatively dry, which I mostly attribute to the lingering hop bitterness and spicieness from the Rye.
Overall Impression 8/10
This is a very enjoyable beer - ballsy, hop forward version of the style. Hops are assertive with good contribution across bitterness, flavour and aroma. Malt profile does a good job to support the hops and provide some balance in a supporting role. I like the spicey notes that the Rye adds, lends some interest to the malt profile and makes it not all about the hops.
Total 38.5/50 (excellent)
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Dave - thanks for putting this one into the swap - it is a top effort and I can see why it is your house beer. As we discussed at the BJCP meeting, I was pretty excited to taste this one after sampling another rye IPA at the recent ANHC Dinner. I think this one stacks up really nicely against the other - but they really sit in different spectrums of the style. Yours is more hop forward, with a bigger rye character (the extra 10% definitely makes a difference), while the one from the dinner was less assertive in the bittering and had more caramel sweetness, bringing the balance back a little bit. It was also a bit lower on the alcohol side of things.
Which do I like better?? Couldn't really say - all I can say is that I will be brewing a Rye IPA over the xmas break!!!
Cheers,
Brendo
I chose to judge this as a US IPA, rather than specialty as the BJCP guidelines suggested.
Aroma 9/12
First impressions were an assualt of US hop aromas - citrusy and piney, very hop forward. Malt character was initially low, but came our more as the sample warmed with some caramel and spicy notes. No detectable yeast based esters - nice and clean.
Appearance 2/3
Good dense, off white head upon pouring which hangs around throughout the glass, providing some nice lacing along the way.
Mid copper colour - mild haze initially, which I put down to hops, however as the sample warmed it did become clearer, so perhaps there is a slight chill haze in the beer. Either way, not a problem for style, but something to consider. Legs evident which indicate higher alcohol content, which is appropriate for style.
Flavour 15/20
Citrusy US hop character, assertive bitterness which is supported by good malt sweetness and caramel notes. Spicey rye character comes out more as it warms which adds to the bitterness levels - balance is definitely towards the hops, which I like. Hops were a little resinous and provided some coating on the teeth, but wasn't over the top. Some sweetness also evident from alcohol. No detectable fermentation flaws, pretty clean.
Mouthfeel 4.5/5
Smooth, medium body with a pleasing moderate carbonation level which nicely promotes the hop bitterness. Some alcohol warming qualities as i drink through the sample - which is appropriate. Finishes relatively dry, which I mostly attribute to the lingering hop bitterness and spicieness from the Rye.
Overall Impression 8/10
This is a very enjoyable beer - ballsy, hop forward version of the style. Hops are assertive with good contribution across bitterness, flavour and aroma. Malt profile does a good job to support the hops and provide some balance in a supporting role. I like the spicey notes that the Rye adds, lends some interest to the malt profile and makes it not all about the hops.
Total 38.5/50 (excellent)
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Dave - thanks for putting this one into the swap - it is a top effort and I can see why it is your house beer. As we discussed at the BJCP meeting, I was pretty excited to taste this one after sampling another rye IPA at the recent ANHC Dinner. I think this one stacks up really nicely against the other - but they really sit in different spectrums of the style. Yours is more hop forward, with a bigger rye character (the extra 10% definitely makes a difference), while the one from the dinner was less assertive in the bittering and had more caramel sweetness, bringing the balance back a little bit. It was also a bit lower on the alcohol side of things.
Which do I like better?? Couldn't really say - all I can say is that I will be brewing a Rye IPA over the xmas break!!!
Cheers,
Brendo
brendo
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19. Fents Cream Ale
Sorry mate... looks like I don't like the lactic character, which means I've learnt two things from your recent experience
1. clean taps regularly
2. I won't be rushing to brew a sour beer in a hurry
Bad luck mate - looking forward to you coming back with a vengence at the next swap with something absolutely killer!!
Brendo
Sorry mate... looks like I don't like the lactic character, which means I've learnt two things from your recent experience
1. clean taps regularly
2. I won't be rushing to brew a sour beer in a hurry
Bad luck mate - looking forward to you coming back with a vengence at the next swap with something absolutely killer!!
Brendo
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Thanks for the feedback. Glad you liked it.
Wonderwoman
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glad you liked it! the hops are half nelson sauvin and half galaxy (I became obsessed with galaxy after trying brendo's(?) galaxy pale ale at the last swap day)
Thanks for the review manticle. I tried this again last weekend (after Hutch reccommended it needs more malt to balance it) and I can see what you're both getting at... the finish is maybe a bit lacking. I'm still happy with it as a summer thirst quencher, but I may experiment with a maltier version in autumn
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OK so battle of the APA's tonight:
#25 - APA vs CAT 10a
Aroma: hops focused, but more fruity than citrus based, but OK, sort of a passionfruit crossed with citrus. Light hints of maltiness in the bakground but not enough to impact any definative aromatics from. No diacetyl and low to nil phenolics perceived 8/12
Appearance: off white head (OK) recedes to a low compact head that expels lacing from it (ok) Very hazy boardering on cloudy - not to style as this seems more than dry hop haze. colour is a cross between irish setter and american bred golden retriever. 1.5/3
Flavour: super cloying sweetness upfront and through-out. it's trying hard to hide behind the bitterness, but isn't coping well, like a fat kid behind a telegraph pole. the lingering bitterness gets dominated by the Caramel flavors coming through. Some alcohol warming to this sample as well. 10/20
Mouthfeel: very creamy - unuasual for this style. Overly sweet and to the cloying point. Carbonation is meduim, which would be well suited to the style. 2/5
OVerall: Far to sweet, whether perceived or fault through lack of proper attenuation. Hops are at teh good level for the style but are somewhat muted by the overwhelmingly sweetness, perhaps imparted from over use of crystal malts. With the level of caramel maltiness this example brings, it may be better treated as a heavier american style such as the Amber or Brown, and make the adjustments accordingly, but far too much sweetness for this style. There is also the alcohol warmth that is coming through on this that requires addressign, either OG is out or perhaps the fermentation regime needs to be examined further 5/10
Tally 26.5/50
**** i hate giving honest feedback. but really, i am only one, and this is what I perceive. I am happy to discuss my thought on this, and hope it helps in some way - cuz it really sucks to write....
#25 - APA vs CAT 10a
Aroma: hops focused, but more fruity than citrus based, but OK, sort of a passionfruit crossed with citrus. Light hints of maltiness in the bakground but not enough to impact any definative aromatics from. No diacetyl and low to nil phenolics perceived 8/12
Appearance: off white head (OK) recedes to a low compact head that expels lacing from it (ok) Very hazy boardering on cloudy - not to style as this seems more than dry hop haze. colour is a cross between irish setter and american bred golden retriever. 1.5/3
Flavour: super cloying sweetness upfront and through-out. it's trying hard to hide behind the bitterness, but isn't coping well, like a fat kid behind a telegraph pole. the lingering bitterness gets dominated by the Caramel flavors coming through. Some alcohol warming to this sample as well. 10/20
Mouthfeel: very creamy - unuasual for this style. Overly sweet and to the cloying point. Carbonation is meduim, which would be well suited to the style. 2/5
OVerall: Far to sweet, whether perceived or fault through lack of proper attenuation. Hops are at teh good level for the style but are somewhat muted by the overwhelmingly sweetness, perhaps imparted from over use of crystal malts. With the level of caramel maltiness this example brings, it may be better treated as a heavier american style such as the Amber or Brown, and make the adjustments accordingly, but far too much sweetness for this style. There is also the alcohol warmth that is coming through on this that requires addressign, either OG is out or perhaps the fermentation regime needs to be examined further 5/10
Tally 26.5/50
**** i hate giving honest feedback. but really, i am only one, and this is what I perceive. I am happy to discuss my thought on this, and hope it helps in some way - cuz it really sucks to write....
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#17b APA vs. CAT 10a
Aroma: Very resiny dank grapefruity hop aromas on the front foot, with slight grainyiness on the back end. Citrus aromatics more as the sample warms, but grapefruit dominant. No Diacetyl detected. 9/12
Appearance: Head big and very slightly off-white and compact, not full of air. colour golden. V. slight haziness to it. Tight resilient head throughout. 3/3
Flavour: Smooth hop flavour - citrus mostly grapefruit again and some orange/lemon twist, maybe orange rind. Nicely balanced towards the hops with a grainy breadly like maltiness to keep the bitterness in check 16/20
Mouthfeel: Medium light body with a slight perceived crispness to it, perhaps lended by the hop bitterness. No astringency issues, and a meduim level carbonation to suit style. 4/5
Overall: huge hop flavour that is part and parcel with alot of the American 'C'hops, however nicely countered with the malt back-bone to support. V. Clean ferment leading to a refreshing example. Suggestions would be to add some malt complexity to this to give it a tweak, but an excellent example of the style. 8.5/10
Tally: 40.5/50
Aroma: Very resiny dank grapefruity hop aromas on the front foot, with slight grainyiness on the back end. Citrus aromatics more as the sample warms, but grapefruit dominant. No Diacetyl detected. 9/12
Appearance: Head big and very slightly off-white and compact, not full of air. colour golden. V. slight haziness to it. Tight resilient head throughout. 3/3
Flavour: Smooth hop flavour - citrus mostly grapefruit again and some orange/lemon twist, maybe orange rind. Nicely balanced towards the hops with a grainy breadly like maltiness to keep the bitterness in check 16/20
Mouthfeel: Medium light body with a slight perceived crispness to it, perhaps lended by the hop bitterness. No astringency issues, and a meduim level carbonation to suit style. 4/5
Overall: huge hop flavour that is part and parcel with alot of the American 'C'hops, however nicely countered with the malt back-bone to support. V. Clean ferment leading to a refreshing example. Suggestions would be to add some malt complexity to this to give it a tweak, but an excellent example of the style. 8.5/10
Tally: 40.5/50
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Ok 2 reviews to pop up!
6. CM2 - Aussie Gold Digger Lager. - Judged against AABC 2.1 (only style really relevant)
Sweet caramel malt aroma. Spicy hops, clean ferment profile, some sweet malt and melanoiden notes present.
Score: 7/12
Light whispy pub foam and lace, dissipates quickly. Gold to light amber in appearance with some haze present
Score: 1.5/3
Toffee malt, nutty and melanoiden rich. Spicy hop flavours present and lingering bitterness in the finish. Malt sweetness balances this one out with some breadcrust notes resonating in the aftertaste.
Score: 12/20
Thin-moderate body, high carbonation. Sharpness on the tongue from carbonation.
Score: 4/5
Rather well balance malt to hop. may need a lower melanoiden richness to increase the sessionability of this beer as it has the ability to be a dead set quaffer. A lower % of toasted malts if any is a good start or highly kilned like Munich and melanoiden to improve the malt palate balance. Overall a well crafted beer. I can see why you love your dark beers so much CM2, it seems to carry over into the lighter styles for you as well.
Score: 6/10
Overall Score: 30.5/50
10. Manticle: Robust Porter Judged against 12B.
First up is an unfortunate metallic note. Light roast, no detectable hop aroma present. Subdued ester profile and a hint of bubblegum in the aroma.
Score: 7/12
Dark brown, relativly bright. Persistant tan head.
Score: 3/3
Nutty toasty busicut malt characteristics and some clean yet noticable alcohol. Balaced quite will. Bitterness is very smooth, almost giving the perception of being borderline for style. well rounded toastiness offset by cocoa notes. Finish is toasted and roasty with dusty chocolate notes, faint metallic note is also noticable in the finish.
Score: 13/20
High carbonation, light and dry, somewhat detracting. Probably due to the high carbonation and roasted malts giving the drying perception.
Score: 3/5
Great beer, will crafted, just needs some fine tuning to push it to the top of the list. Lower the carbonation as this makes the mouthfeel overtly dry and detracts from the flavourful and complex roasty characteristics. the metallic note picked up in the aroma and flavour was quite unfortuante and masked some fo the finer qualities in this beer. The malty palate was supurb, a nice clean ferment and complex and roasty. Suggesstions are to increase the mash temp to up the body, increase the IBU by atleast 5 points and lower the carbonation to help the roast shine.
Score: 6/10
Overall Score: 32/50
6. CM2 - Aussie Gold Digger Lager. - Judged against AABC 2.1 (only style really relevant)
Sweet caramel malt aroma. Spicy hops, clean ferment profile, some sweet malt and melanoiden notes present.
Score: 7/12
Light whispy pub foam and lace, dissipates quickly. Gold to light amber in appearance with some haze present
Score: 1.5/3
Toffee malt, nutty and melanoiden rich. Spicy hop flavours present and lingering bitterness in the finish. Malt sweetness balances this one out with some breadcrust notes resonating in the aftertaste.
Score: 12/20
Thin-moderate body, high carbonation. Sharpness on the tongue from carbonation.
Score: 4/5
Rather well balance malt to hop. may need a lower melanoiden richness to increase the sessionability of this beer as it has the ability to be a dead set quaffer. A lower % of toasted malts if any is a good start or highly kilned like Munich and melanoiden to improve the malt palate balance. Overall a well crafted beer. I can see why you love your dark beers so much CM2, it seems to carry over into the lighter styles for you as well.
Score: 6/10
Overall Score: 30.5/50
10. Manticle: Robust Porter Judged against 12B.
First up is an unfortunate metallic note. Light roast, no detectable hop aroma present. Subdued ester profile and a hint of bubblegum in the aroma.
Score: 7/12
Dark brown, relativly bright. Persistant tan head.
Score: 3/3
Nutty toasty busicut malt characteristics and some clean yet noticable alcohol. Balaced quite will. Bitterness is very smooth, almost giving the perception of being borderline for style. well rounded toastiness offset by cocoa notes. Finish is toasted and roasty with dusty chocolate notes, faint metallic note is also noticable in the finish.
Score: 13/20
High carbonation, light and dry, somewhat detracting. Probably due to the high carbonation and roasted malts giving the drying perception.
Score: 3/5
Great beer, will crafted, just needs some fine tuning to push it to the top of the list. Lower the carbonation as this makes the mouthfeel overtly dry and detracts from the flavourful and complex roasty characteristics. the metallic note picked up in the aroma and flavour was quite unfortuante and masked some fo the finer qualities in this beer. The malty palate was supurb, a nice clean ferment and complex and roasty. Suggesstions are to increase the mash temp to up the body, increase the IBU by atleast 5 points and lower the carbonation to help the roast shine.
Score: 6/10
Overall Score: 32/50
manticle
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Cheers for feedback. Next time I might mash a bit hotter.
Any suggestions on possible causes for metallic characteristics?
Any suggestions on possible causes for metallic characteristics?
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I did the same and SWMBO asked if I can spot you an extra point on her behalf. She's very picky about what she likes, and this one passed the test, so that's certainly kudos to you.
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I've been slowly getting into theses beers.. I would give feed back but im limited to "I liked it" or "I didn't like it" and most likely the reason for not liking it is becasuse of theses styles are new to me...
So far I liked most of them... I've been ticking them off.. I remember wonderwoman was good.. i enjoyed that one..
So far I liked most of them... I've been ticking them off.. I remember wonderwoman was good.. i enjoyed that one..
brendo
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don't be put off by the depth that some of the swappers are reviewing a beer - those of us doing BJCP are simply using hi as an exercise for practice.
Your opinions are just as valid and I would urge you too post your thoughts - regardless of detail. I nothing else it will tell you more about what you do and don't like and will get you thinking more about beer in a critical sense.
Most importantly - you don't have to agree with others opinions either - tasting is personal and subjective.
Enjoy
brendo
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