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Hey Fourstar,

just wondering why you do this for fruit beers in particular? Wouldn't the fruit settle out in primary just as much as it would in secondary?

- Snow


Snow,

Yeast will absorb the colour out of the fruit - So if you are looking to get max colour out of your fruit, let your base beer clear as much as possible & rack onto the fruit in a new fermenter.

Cheers Ross
 
After having to tip more than one batch recently, I'm going to stop racking from now on. All the beers I tipped were good before they were racked, I think I'll just cold condition in primary in the fridge and give up on the finings.
 
After having to tip more than one batch recently, I'm going to stop racking from now on. All the beers I tipped were good before they were racked, I think I'll just cold condition in primary in the fridge and give up on the finings.


That's what I do.
Ales,
2 weeks in the primary, cold crash @ 1.5 degrees for two days, return to ambient, bulk prime and bottle, try and wait before I consume.
Clear and delicious enough for me.
Lagers,
Can't be stuffed.
 
Hey Fourstar,
just wondering why you do this for fruit beers in particular? Wouldn't the fruit settle out in primary just as much as it would in secondary?


Snow,
Yeast will absorb the colour out of the fruit - So if you are looking to get max colour out of your fruit, let your base beer clear as much as possible & rack onto the fruit in a new fermenter.
Cheers Ross

As ross has noted, also as yeast absorbs hop resins and strips IBU i can only concude it does the same with the fruit flavours as well. Basically, the less yeast i have in there the better i recon!
 
I've started racking to cubes for CC'ing, because I have more room in my conditioning fridge that way. It also frees up a fermenter for another batch :p
No problems yet, but I've only done it twice.
 
<flame suit on>

If there are issues with infections during/after racking, then it's a result of poor sanitation and poor process. If these exist, not racking to a secondary is not going to fix the real problem.

<flame suit off>

I guess there is a certain amount of paranoia under which I operate during rackings. It is definitely another entry point for infection.

I use a sterile filter on my carboy/conical I am racking from, so as air flows into the empty space, I know its sterile and not going to cause any issues. The next vessel is well sanitized with steam(kegs) or starsan (carboys/cubes) with a 15 minute contact time, I think 7 minutes contact time is recommended? Foil caps are always used to cover the receiving vessels opening.

I also use the sterile filter to blow into to start the racking process, so nothing touches the sterilized tubing being used.
 
I racked to secondary twice in my early days and both times my beer got infected so now I dont bother. I usually keg after one week in primary for ales and 2 weeks for lagers but have left ales for as long as 2 and lagers for as long as 3 weeks in primary with no ill effects.

And I hate all that extra cleaning ...

:icon_cheers: ghhb
 
Snow,

Yeast will absorb the colour out of the fruit - So if you are looking to get max colour out of your fruit, let your base beer clear as much as possible & rack onto the fruit in a new fermenter.

Cheers Ross


As ross has noted, also as yeast absorbs hop resins and strips IBU i can only concude it does the same with the fruit flavours as well. Basically, the less yeast i have in there the better i recon!

Ahh.. thanks. I like both these responses!

Cheers - Snow.
 
<flame suit on>
If there are issues with infections during/after racking, then it's a result of poor sanitation and poor process. If these exist, not racking to a secondary is not going to fix the real problem.
<flame suit off>
I guess there is a certain amount of paranoia under which I operate during rackings. It is definitely another entry point for infection.
I use a sterile filter on my carboy/conical I am racking from, so as air flows into the empty space, I know its sterile and not going to cause any issues. The next vessel is well sanitized with steam(kegs) or starsan (carboys/cubes) with a 15 minute contact time, I think 7 minutes contact time is recommended? Foil caps are always used to cover the receiving vessels opening.
I also use the sterile filter to blow into to start the racking process, so nothing touches the sterilized tubing being used.

I agree fraser, if you are getting infections from sanitation regieme, something needs to be fixed before you stop racking. Unfortunatly we are not operating in sterile conditions (kitechens, laundrys, garages) and there is always going to be airborne bacteria and wild yeast in the air. We can limit the chances of them falling into our fermenters by ensuring we are in draft free environments but this is always another problem that can occur unless we are racking in a closed system which is almost what you are doing. This is the whole reason i do not rack anymore unless i really have to.

a purge of my filter and all lines with CO2, keg purged with CO2, connect up and filter away with the release valve open. Keeps any nasties out of the beer from the fermenter to keg. ;)
 
After reading through this thread I don't know what I'm doing wrong :huh:, but in nearly 6 years of brewing and racking to secondary I've never had an infection.

Alot of nervous brewers out there, :unsure: in the end just do what works for you.

Cheers,
BB
 
a purge of my filter and all lines with CO2, keg purged with CO2, connect up and filter away with the release valve open. Keeps any nasties out of the beer from the fermenter to keg. ;)

:( it's the one thing I don't do, regardless of my paranoia! I wish I could.
 
I always assumed racking improved the finished product but after reading this thread I'll only do it at the bulk priming step.

I had read that racking to secondary can kick off a stalled ferment or enliven a ferment that has really slowed down. I also read you should rack when the fermentation isn't quite finished so the continuing co2 production ensured the headspace isn't filled with oxygen. As a result I've always racked when fermentation is almost complete hoping to give it a boost so it completely ferments out and brings the fg down a bit more.

However, I've noticed a couple of times recently that racking seems to have completely stopped a fermentation that was still slowly progressing in the primary. I guess this could be because almost all of the yeast has already flocculated out so removing it from the cake was a bad idea. Maybe giving the primary a swirl is the better way to go...
 
:( it's the one thing I don't do, regardless of my paranoia! I wish I could.

Why? Not having a go just wondering why people feel they need to rack to a secondary. And what type of beer you're making.
 
I never rack ales. Can't see the point, and I don't believe it would improve my beers. If it's possible to do something simply, then I'm all in favour.
I bottled an APA last weekend, after it sat in primary at 18C for two weeks, I dropped the temp down to 3C for another two weeks.
The hydro sample I took at bottling time tasted just fine.

I do rack lagers from primary into a Willow jerry container for lagering. I add a little dex to allow that to ferment out and ensure I have some CO2 cover on the beer.
 
Why? Not having a go just wondering why people feel they need to rack to a secondary. And what type of beer you're making.

Its not a need, its a preference, like everything everyone does with their hobby, they have their way of doing it and its going to be hard to prove one way or another which is right.

We have commercial brewers here on the site, maybe they could comment as to why big brewers use secondary tanks to age and brighten their beers off the lees of the primary fermentation, both lagers and ales?
 
Acouple of questions; why would racking to secondary increase the risk of oxidisation or infection any more than when you rack to bulk prime?

Also, why do almost all of the recipes in the AHB Database suggest a two stage fermentation, if so few brewers rack to secondary?
 
One more question: do breweries use secondary? or do they just filter and carb?
 
In most cases I fill keg direct from Primary and bottle the remainder. If bottling the lot I rack to secondary and bulk prime.

In rare cases I will add gelatine in Secondary to clear up the beer...

Yet to make a true AG lager, will surely rack to secondary then.
 
Food for thought.

Chapter 8 - Fermentation

8.2.3 Secondary or Conditioning Phase

The reactions that take place during the conditioning phase are primarily a function of the yeast. The vigorous primary stage is over, the majority of the wort sugars have been converted to alcohol, and a lot of the yeast cells are going dormant - but some are still active.

The Secondary Phase allows for the slow reduction of the remaining fermentables. The yeast have eaten most all of the easily fermentable sugars and now start to turn their attention elsewhere. The yeast start to work on the heavier sugars like maltotriose. Also, the yeast clean up some of the byproducts they produced during the fast-paced primary phase. But this stage has its dark side too.

Under some conditions, the yeast will also consume some of the compounds in the trub. The "fermentation" of these compounds can produce several off-flavors. In addition, the dormant yeast on the bottom of the fermentor begin excreting more amino and fatty acids. Leaving the post-primary beer on the trub and yeast cake for too long (more than about three weeks) will tend to result in soapy flavors becoming evident. Further, after very long times the yeast begin to die and break down - autolysis, which produces yeasty or rubbery/fatty/meaty flavors and aromas. For these reasons, it can be important to get the beer off of the trub and dormant yeast during the conditioning phase.

There has been a lot of controversy within the homebrewing community on the value of racking beers, particularly ales, to secondary fermentors. Many seasoned homebrewers have declared that there is no real taste benefit and that the dangers of contamination and the cost in additional time are not worth what little benefit there may be. While I will agree that for a new brewer's first, low gravity, pale beer that the risks probably outweigh the benefits; I have always argued that through careful transfer, secondary fermentation is beneficial to nearly all beer styles. But for now, I will advise new brewers to only use a single fermentor until they have gained some experience with racking and sanitation.

Leaving an ale beer in the primary fermentor for a total of 2-3 weeks (instead of just the one week most canned kits recommend), will provide time for the conditioning reactions and improve the beer. This extra time will also let more sediment settle out before bottling, resulting in a clearer beer and easier pouring. And, three weeks in the primary fermentor is usually not enough time for off-flavors to occur.
 
At risk of running a good discussion off-topic can anyone provide some insight on the use of fruit in the secondary please. I've got a brew in secondary at the moment that was racked onto a couple of kilo's of cherry puree. I was wondering if sticking the fermenter in the fridge to CC has any effect (positive or negative) on the rate of flavour uptake from the fruit?
Thanks
Dean
 

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