Mmm....Is the Gov starting to crackdown on distilling ?

[Black Devil Dog]

Keep your chin up mate. Don't allow a lack of comprehension make you feel inadequate.

Yeah, it could be worse, could resort to snide personal remarks.

 

[goomboogo]

Yeah, it could be worse, could resort to snide personal remarks.

Can you also please run it past the 'know-alls' on AHB? We'd sure hate to keep them out of the ******' loop.

It would appear you already have it covered.

 

[Black Devil Dog]

Sorry if you took offence.

 

[620rossco]

We need not sign, and be left out of the trading groups, would we be better off, no, we would be out in the cold, I for one believe we are better in than out.

The trubunal that is hearing the Phillip Morris case is not subject rule of law, does not follow any form of precedent, has no reporting obligation, has no form of judiciary, is not independant and allows for no form of appeal. These cases have rendered Canada's environmental law unworkable for many local authorities. Might be worth looking at some of the submissions to DFAT by institutions such as ANU and other universities/ international law faculties.

 

[goomboogo]

Sorry if you took offence.

That's ok. I don't find hypocrisy offensive.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

The trubunal that is hearing the Phillip Morris case is not subject rule of law, does not follow any form of precedent, has no reporting obligation, has no form of judiciary, is not independant and allows for no form of appeal. These cases have rendered Canada's environmental law unworkable for many local authorities. Might be worth looking at some of the submissions to DFAT by institutions such as ANU and other universities/ international law faculties.

This is EXACTLY the problem with these types of deals

Its basically now a case of " He said i could and now he wont let me anymore"......

So if the sovereign country changes the law, which they are allowed to do, they cant make it apply to to an existing agreement

So, for instance, The Great BIg multinational comes in, signs a deal to built a plant that makes stuff. After a few years the government changes some laws ( general in nature, not specicif the the company ) because they find that the stuff they are making is hazardous,polluting, damaging the environment, or the workers are being exploited, The Great Big Multinational can say " **** you, you said we could do this, and we will...get stuffed"....and get away with it

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

What does this have to do with the Gov cracking down on distilling, ***** me

 

[wide eyed and legless]

A brief outline of ISDS agreement.

https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/fact-sheets/2015/march/investor-state-dispute-settlement-isds

 

[manticle]

@stu:

The question was asked pages ago - I gave up.
we've had ISIS/ISIL, Hitler, free trade agreements, left/right politics including capitalism vs social welfare and religion.

Surprisingly civil considering the diversity of topics on a beer forum. Utterly nonsensical but no-one's perfect I guess.

 

[seamad]

It's Stu's fault, he failed to correctly name the topic of the thread, it should have been ... distilling, unions, fta's and other ****.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

My bad.

A brief outline of the United States of America ISDS agreement.

https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/fact-sheets/2015/march/investor-state-dispute-settlement-isds

FTFY

 

[wide eyed and legless]

Yeah right stu, each country signs off on its own ISDS :lol:

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Yeah right stu, each country signs off on its own ISDS :lol:

So have you seen ours...?

 

[wide eyed and legless]

Tony is still working on getting ISDS removed from the TPPA. Unlike Krudd and Crean who were willing to sign up.

 

[manticle]

Trust Tony. He's a good bloke. I know cos Andrew Bolt has had dinner with him, I read andrew bolt semi regularly and he is certainly a good bloke.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

And Tony is also good mates with Alan Jones.

He has an impeccable circle of friends

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Tony is still working on getting ISDS removed from the TPPA. Unlike Krudd and Crean who were willing to sign up.

How do you know this ?

 

[wide eyed and legless]

Rupert told me.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Show me the proof then...go on...show it to me....

 

[manticle]

WEAL- So cynical of supernatural, all powerful, mystical creatures, so trusting of those in, and with direct power.