I want to get elected!

[YoungOne]

Why are you talking about hunting rifles though? The suggested ban is on handguns isn' it?
I'm on a phone so that limits my responses - I'd like to come back and respond to some of your points though YO.

No I think somewhere we got on to the 'danger' of privately held rifles in Australia.
In any event most handguns are pretty weak. The .22 calibre rugers that I recall the police going on about aren't exactly battle weapons.
The bullet is (roughly) 1/4 the size of a carbonation drop - and fired from a tiny barrel it would struggle to break the skin from any moderate distance. As opposed to the police firearms, which are high powered military style pistols with much larger bullets and significantly more propellant relative to the size of the bullet (ie more power and more damage).

EDIT, here we go
The .22 Pistols produce 30 joules of energy at the muzzle.
The 9mm police Pistols produce 519 joules of energy at the muzzle.

The sporting pistols are just done up to be 'tacticool' for the US market, but I'm not sure they're 'all that'.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

NSW Police use Glock 22

.40 S&W caliber (10mm) bullet

I sure as **** would not want to be shot with one

 

[Online Brewing Supplies]

NSW Police use Glock .22

I sure as **** would not want to be shot with one

Some times you dont have a choice.
Nev

 

[YoungOne]

NSW Police use Glock 22

.40 S&W caliber (10mm) bullet

I sure as **** would not want to be shot with one

Nice edit.
The 40 S&W is even more powerful than the 9mm.
There's a world of difference between the sporting pistols and police ones. They just look the same.

EDIT
Ouch. The 40S&W puts out 576 joules of muzzle energy. Almost 20 times that of the humble .22!
Yet the Greens will still claim that the .22 target handguns are 'military style assault weapons'.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Police pistols are not used to kill. They are to stop and wound an offender.

Well thats what they tell you.......

 

[manticle]

For what it's worth I support, in principle, gun control and responsible gun ownership.

I support hunting when carried out humanely (some will differ on the definition of that) and for the purposes of catching food or pest/vermin control. Same with fishing although with sport/recreational fishing, it's a tad easier to throw something back you haven't shot through the head.

I'm intrigued anyone could support one nation and be miffed that people might consider them racist. What exactly do you think racism is?

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Nice edit.
The 40 S&W is even more powerful than the 9mm.
There's a world of difference between the sporting pistols and police ones. They just look the same.

Not if they use the same catridge

 

[YoungOne]

Not if they use the same catridge

True, but I think from memory the pistols are limited to .357, which is a long way below the 40 S&W - but that you can get the larger calibre for certain competitions, but the regulation and reporting requirements are immense.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Done much shooting youngone...

Easy to shoot a .44 at club meets

 

[YoungOne]

I'm intrigued anyone could support one nation and be miffed that people might consider them racist. What exactly do you think racism is?

Racism, as in, judging people or treating them differently based on where they come from or how they appear.
As I understand it, One Nation doesn't care about race per se, they care about culture. Their primary concern is that our liberal democractic traditions, system of government and broad cultural practices are being undermined by allowing multiple bases of legitimacy rather than allegiance to 'Australian Values'.

I think many people, including a younger version of me, got the wrong end of the stick because of the massive wave of propaganda against one nation, partly fuelled by media gaffes by Pauline Hanson that were used against them.

I also think it is worth noting that they're the only political party in Australia to have had their leaders imprisoned, without merit. Primarily to diffuse their influence politically. I infer this, manticle, because the punishment did not fit the crime.

The major parties were just unhappy that in a single election One Nation went from 0% of the national vote to 10% of the national vote - and they were desperate to discredit them to maintain the status quo.

I would look at the One Nation web page for background.

Their opposition is not based on race, it is based on unity, they're happy to have people come here when we can accommodate the growth - but they expect integration rather than maintaining separate cultural identities.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

For what it's worth I support, in principle, gun control and responsible gun ownership.

I support hunting when carried out humanely (some will differ on the definition of that) and for the purposes of catching food or pest/vermin control.

Yes...the correct weapon is required. Fox shooting is done generally with .17 riffles. Very high velocity and gteat ovet long distance in a padock. Roos gen need 22-250 or even better .243. Pigs you need . 3030/308 cause of the thick skull

 

[YoungOne]

Done much shooting youngone...

Easy to shoot a .44 at club meets

I haven't joined a pistol club because I am poor and can't afford it. Plus the extra storage requirements mean installing another safe, and it is too much effort for the benefit derived. I'm happy just to be registered for hunting.

 

[petesbrew]

All the best Fish13, good on you for getting involved and standing up in what you believe in.
Had to have a look at your parties policies. I notice things like, no bullbar restrictions, and no anti-hoon laws (which I believe are there for a bloody good reason). While you guys look like you support motorcyclist, it would be interesting to hear the party's thoughts on commuter/recreational cyclists.
Also noticed a relative of mine is a senate candidate!

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

I haven't joined a pistol club because I am poor and can't afford it. Plus the extra storage requirements mean installing another safe, and it is too much effort for the benefit derived. I'm happy just to be registered for hunting.

Have you done much ( any ) shooting

 

[YoungOne]

Have you done much ( any ) shooting

Yes I have had an AB licence for a very long time.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

What have you shot with

 

[YoungOne]

What have you shot with

.17HMR
.22lr
.223
30-30 lever
30-06
.300 Win Mag
12G
Blackpowder .50cal

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Well that wasnt hard was it

 

[YoungOne]

Well that wasnt hard was it

*Shrugs

Sorry I wasn't sure what you wanted.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Just trying to save you from being bummed

 

[slcmorro]

Yes...the correct weapon is required. Fox shooting is done generally with .17 riffles. Very high velocity and gteat ovet long distance in a padock. Roos gen need 22-250 or even better .243. Pigs you need . 3030/308 cause of the thick skull

Foxes are .17HMR up to a .223. Anything bigger is a waste.
I wouldn't advocate shooting Roos with less than a .243 (considering .243 and .270 are the minimum legal calibres for deer hunting, this makes sense)
Pigs I wouldn't go smaller than .270 or BB 12G

 

[JDW81]

Some times you dont have a choice.
Nev

Yes you do. Don't put yourself in a position where the coppers are going to have to shoot you.

 

[Camo6]

That's pretty much the point, there isn't another mundane use for a gun that justifies them.

Spot on. There's nothing mundane about letting off a shot with concentrated precision and hitting a paper target 300 yards away. Hoo-******-rah!

(snip) Most hunting rifles of a consequential calibre can be shot once or twice and then need to cool down for a good 30 minutes before you can shoot them again.

Not really a valid argument. My 30-06 sporter has put out countless rounds consecutively on a 36*c day. Doesn't do much for the life of the barrel and throws MOA out by a few inches but works reliably nonetheless.

So what are you calling a heavy barrel, anything over .308? And how can it be a hunting rifle if you only shoot off one or 2 rounds every 1/2 hour. A 22/250 is regarded as a nice light rifle. At least the Roos will be safe with your hunting rifle.

My .17 HMR's barrel is twice as thick as my 30-06 sporter. The '06 throws a 220grain pill the size of your little toe @3000FPS whereas the .17 HMR's 17gr bullet is smaller than a Tictac and travels at only 2550FPS. Heavy barrels relate to accuracy not calibre.

( snip) Why are you talking about hunting rifles though? The suggested ban is on handguns isn' it?

Personally I fail to see the difference between the two. The people I have met who own handguns are members of pistol clubs whose memberships are not easily obtained. They use these firearms only at the range in competition and for personal pleasure ( the same way we get a kick from hitting our numbers and making a cracking beer). Their firearms are stored at the club under secure conditions and they don't use them for any form of killing. They're entitled to their passions the same as anyone else so who has the right to tell them they're unfit to do so? If you wanted to go postal it would be easier to source a blackmarket weapon than jump through the hoops already in place for this very reason.




I love this thread, I could talk guns all day. Fish yer got mah vote.

 

[brewbienewbie]

I don't see how he's going to stop the greens though. The majority of the votes he gets on this fishing and shooting ticket are going to come from the LNP's base, surely? Which if anything is only going to help the greens.

 

[YoungOne]

Police pistols are not used to kill. They are to stop and wound an offender.

Well thats what they tell you.......

Yeah, somehow I doubt you would survive being hit by a 40S&W. It would have to put a big hole in you.
I think it has what the americans call 'stopping power'.

I don't see how he's going to stop the greens though. The majority of the votes he gets on this fishing and shooting ticket are going to come from the LNP's base, surely? Which if anything is only going to help the greens.

Maybe. I've previously been a greens/labor voter.

 

[Camo6]

I'd rather be hit by a .40 than a .357 anyday. Well I'd rather be hit by neither. That's why I don't drive my car while carrying a knife. That **** will get you dead.

From what I understand, law enforcers aren't trained to wound but to aim for the big parts till they're no longer a threat. And so they should, given the position they put themselves in.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

From what I understand, law enforcers aren't trained to wound but to aim for the big parts till they're no longer a threat. And so they should, given the position they put themselves in.

Correct.

 

[JDW81]

I'd rather be hit by a .40 than a .357 anyday. Well I'd rather be hit by neither. That's why I don't drive my car while carrying a knife. That **** will get you dead.

From what I understand, law enforcers aren't trained to wound but to aim for the big parts till they're no longer a threat. And so they should, given the position they put themselves in.

That's correct. You are trained aim for the biggest part of the body as you're less likely to miss, especially important in close quarters as you may only have time to get one shot off.

 

[goomboogo]

Can we get an IP check up in this bitch?

This is what I thought after reading the post below.

after a while it all starts running together in my mind. They just want to get rid of everything.

 

[Phoney]

That's the most retarded name for a political party I've ever heard. What next, a 'stop the stop the greens party'? This could get out of control. :lol:
if you wanted to stop any party, wouldn't you just not vote for them or any party which preferences them?