Malt grains in basket BEFORE or AFTER water ?

[Barãob]

In Single Vessel pans... First malt grains inside the basket, before the water... or first water in the basket and then malt grains ?
In Brewzilla gen 4 I have been looking at forums that : First, is to make sure you add your grains to the malt pipe BEFORE you lower it into the vessel. This ensures the weight of the grain keeps the bottom plate in place, so that as you lower it down, the water doesn’t push the bottom plthroughate out of position and create a sneak path for whole grains to get

 

[razz]

You can do either, I usually add grain into the water stirring as I go. When you lower the basket into the water (no grain) you give the bottom plate a push with the mash paddle to seat it.

 

[BAA]

I always put the pipe in first, as suggested that way I can make sure the bottom plate is seated correctly and if not use my mash paddle to seat it. If I had grains in there would be no way to see or fix the issue.

There is also the issue of dough balls. With thicker grists I am not sure I could ever really mix the grist and water correctly if I wasn’t slowly adding the grist in whilst stirring which would massively effect the efficiency.