I want to get elected!

[pk.sax]

What might work perhaps, is to devalue the dollar to a sensible level reflecting the real value of our economy, not the potential value of buried mineral deposits. That might encourage investors to value Australian industry as viable and the returns on investment might start matching those of more progressive economies. Of course, this should've been prepared for by skilling up the population more diversely than construction and mining as it stands atm. This might mean the government investing into tafe, unis and more intermediate training colleges encouraging young people to take up industrial work. Where I work, the place can't find enough interest in potential apprentices because it pays ****, people can make that flipping burgers or selling groceries. If we weren't so overvalued and everything priced up against mining money, maybe we can be affordable and even competitive.

PS: before mant strips one off me, I'm not an economist, engineering analyst.

 

[manticle]

Just saw the article about Justin Walker that young one was referring to. I couldn't give a rat's arse what some guy's sexual profile on a gay dating website says as long as it doesn't involve animals, children or forced sex.
Picking up guys in public spaces might be illegal - I can cope with that. His penchant for threesomes is neither relevant nor illegal. Again - which green policies are extreme? I don't like ON's policies or philosophies and I will criticise their candidates' knowledge of politics because it's entirely relevant. Who Pauline likes to shag is not. Find another windmill.

 

[pyrosx]

The point they have made - and it's valid - is that western liberal democracy cannot function if it allows traditions that are opposed to it to exist within it. Namely: Islam.

If 51% of the population were Muslim, they'd probably vote in a party of Muslim politicians, who might then try to challenge the democratic underpinnings of the Constitution - which would lead to referenda - which would require a lot more than 51% support.

"Please explain" to me how the 2.2% of Australians who are Islamic in any way threaten our democracy? (And then, if you do manage it, make sure you can't make the same arguments where you replace "muslim" with "religious fundamentalist of any denomination")

 

[YoungOne]

Wow. Is your head actually up your arse?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIEcf_hSl4E#t=226

Go to 2:40 in the above video which is straight from the One Nation website. Makes me sick.

I think I missed it.At 2:40 she's silent

 

[YoungOne]

If 51% of the population were Muslim, they'd probably vote in a party of Muslim politicians, who might then try to challenge the democratic underpinnings of the Constitution - which would lead to referenda - which would require a lot more than 51% support.

"Please explain" to me how the 2.2% of Australians who are Islamic in any way threaten our democracy? (And then, if you do manage it, make sure you can't make the same arguments where you replace "muslim" with "religious fundamentalist of any denomination")

It's the rate of increase. In the words of the Q society:
“In 2011 Islamic community leaders estimated 700,000 Muslims living in Australia; but post-9/11, many did not disclose their religion in the 2011 census. While Australia’s general population grew by 78% in 40 years, the number of Muslims in Australia increased by over 3,500% in the same period.”

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Of course.....when you start out with a group that makes up a very small % it is easy for them to increase massively. If they grow from 10 people to 100 people it will look big. But if it is within a pop of 10,000 then it isnt as big of an inctease. The larger % of the pop then the smaller their % increase of the the group will be

 

[JDW81]

the number of Muslims in Australia increased by over 3,500% in the same period.”

Raw percentages don't mean anything. 10 is 1000% more than 1. Real numbers are harder to make scary, but percentages can make it look like we're all going to be living under sharia law in 10 years.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Eggzachery

 

[jyo]

I think I missed it.At 2:40 she's silent

sc

 

[Fish13]

Practical fool. there are 5 million Fishers is Australia. so over 20% of the population.

there is a beautiful national park 30 minutes from and huge state decay. the road is falling away. the camping area decaying and toilet blocks vandalized and get beyond repair!

The shire can't look after it. liberals don't help because its a labor seat... how crap is this?

 

[brewbienewbie]

That's what the Greens are all about.
They're embittered middle aged intellectuals that have lost all optimism for the future

Holy ****, I wish! I would vote for the embittered middle aged intellectuals that have lost all optimism for the future party in a frickin second.

...and that's why I drink.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Wow. Is your head actually up your arse?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIEcf_hSl4E#t=226

Go to 2:40 in the above video which is straight from the One Nation website. Makes me sick.

It was multiculturalism that made this country...poor old Pauline.... Well she is from QLD. The state that also gave us Sir Joh, Catter, Palmer, Barnaby......

 

[pk.sax]

That's true, you need to make a facility viable before it gets any attention. Still, I hope the lunatic gun loving policies were curbed. It's a bit over the wild Australia now innit?
Good luck, if anything counts, it's YOUR intention.

 

[pk.sax]

PS: probably gonna sound like a hypocrite, but Muslims in particular have a way of looking at everything that makes Pauline Hanson etc sound like gentle pot smoking hippies. Btw, their philosophy of prolific baby making to islamise the world is not entirely a fairy tale. I'm not a fan. Bitten a few times in trust, of all of them I've met, 2 people. That's how many decent non bigoted Muslims I've met. I felt like running over the rest.

 

[booargy]

Practical fool. there are 5 million Fishers is Australia. so over 20% of the population.

there is a beautiful national park 30 minutes from and huge state decay. the road is falling away. the camping area decaying and toilet blocks vandalized and get beyond repair!

The shire can't look after it. liberals don't help because its a labor seat... how crap is this?

Oh I see the greens went in they're and did it? More than likely they would budget it in to fix it like they have done in my local area.

 

[manticle]

One more time for the deaf.

Which actual policies of the greens are nuts? Which actual policies make them kooks?

 

[brewbienewbie]

PS: probably gonna sound like a hypocrite, but Muslims in particular have a way of looking at everything that makes Pauline Hanson etc sound like gentle pot smoking hippies. Btw, their philosophy of prolific baby making to islamise the world is not entirely a fairy tale. I'm not a fan. Bitten a few times in trust, of all of them I've met, 2 people. That's how many decent non bigoted Muslims I've met. I felt like running over the rest.

Prolific baby-making? You know Australia is about 25% Catholic, right?

 

[manticle]

PS: probably gonna sound like a hypocrite, but Muslims in particular have a way of looking at everything that makes Pauline Hanson etc sound like gentle pot smoking hippies. Btw, their philosophy of prolific baby making to islamise the world is not entirely a fairy tale. I'm not a fan. Bitten a few times in trust, of all of them I've met, 2 people. That's how many decent non bigoted Muslims I've met. I felt like running over the rest.

Can I read about this philosophy anywhere? Is there perhaps a copy of the protocols of the elders of Islam floating around?

 

[YoungOne]

Can I read about this philosophy anywhere? Is there perhaps a copy of the protocols of the elders of Islam floating around?

Yes, try the books that set Muslim Brotherhood world view.

They want to establish a Global Sunni Caliphate. The instruction to kill all not believers stands, but they are allowed to ignore it until they are in a position to win outright. So the goal is to colonise western nations, build power and strength, and then strike. You should read: http://www.qsociety.org.au/qonjihad.pdf

The Muslim Brotherhood of course operates here in Australia openly. It's interesting that their views are intensely and dangerously radical, even against the propaganda put out about parties like one nation - yet the left wing liberals pay them 0 attention at all.

I really resent the charges of racism. I was actually a member of the Greens for many years but their behaviour both stopping me gathering food and voting against the Carbon price really pissed me off. As did organising the '99%' rallies/riots in the CBDs of Sydney and Melbourne.
It took me a long time and lot of life experience to realise that Islam is just bad news for Australia. The Greens are miopic. The idea that you can be both homosexual, or a feminist, or an environmentalist, and embrace Islam - is nuts.

Political correctness gone wrong.

 

[Camo6]

One more time for the deaf.

Which actual policies of the greens are nuts? Which actual policies make them kooks?

Does a party having sound policies mean there are no kooks aboard? Do you think their policies aren't scrutinized heavily before being announced? If a party was to announce ludicrous policies do you think they would win votes? I'm sure there's been a party or two in history whose policies were sound, ja?

From what I've gathered politicians promise a lot of things that they don't always deliver. Sometimes it's what they don't promise that you have to worry about. The principles of the Greens is primarily protecting the environment and for this reason they (or any similar party) are very important to maintaining balance. This is the primary reason they have had such success. Who doesn't want to vote for a party that is focused on saving the planet? I know I've given them my vote when I was younger.

However, history has shown that once they've held sway in parliament they've influenced some very unpractical and poorly thought out decisions. I'm sure most of the members of the Greens are sensible people passionate about their duty. I'm sure there are also a lot of peace and mung bean loving zealots who will stop at nothing to eradicate the world of anything that disturbs their shakra. I think in the last few years people have been let down by the Greens' actions and will now be hesitant to cast their vote so readily.

Manticle, I'm probably the most unpolitical person I know and try not to involve myself with any discussions on politics but as someone who spent a lot of time working in the country I've seen the effects of poor political decisions on both the land and the people who work it. Not all of these problems were created by the Greens as such, but mainly by the mindset that these do gooders have. Don't get me wrong, we need these people representing our environment but a careful balance still needs to be maintained.

Now look what you've done. Gone and made me think bout serious stuff! I'm off to play with my beer machine and drink some piss. :beer:

 

[pk.sax]

Hey tickler, I respect your give everyone a chance attitude, but doesn't personal experience count for anything? Seriously bro, if the church's practices can be criticised, people should also have an open mind towards criticising other religion-cultural sets for what they propound. It's not a chiseled into stone policy or anything afaik, it's the reality of what they believe in. According to Islam, everyone but a faithful Muslim is an infidel and has to be either converted or eliminated. And most often, it's by whatever means necessary. They can be so myopic in their views that lets say someone converts to Islam, they might have been doing something every year, perhaps celebrating the start of spring as might be the culture of where they live, under Islam, they would find that the observation of any cultural or otherwise practices is deeply frowned on. Why? Because - 'the prophet did not write in the Koran for us to do that, hence it is not necessary for a good Muslim to live his life, so this practice is unislamic and should not be carried out.' They view anything not Islamic with such distrust, it takes generations of removal from their home countries to get them comfortable with anything. The divide is simply too deep.

I have paraphrased but hopefully it explains why I'm no fan of their way of thinking and doing things. Nations that get tagged as Islamic, they don't have a problem. It's the radicals flowing out to other countries, they are a lot of the time rejected by their own people for such absurd hard line relegious views. Anyway, derailed this one enough. Better to let this one go.

 

[bum]

They can be so myopic in their views

Is that a fact?

You're confusing Islam with Islamism and you need to stop it.

 

[Fish13]

They talk about sustainable actions but in reality it results in lock outs.

there gun policy is aimed disarming lawful gun activities. they are dissapointed that 1million firearms were legally brought into the country for those who sport shoot legally and our current gun ownership laws are a joke.

the example they used was the young lady who went to a range and then stole the firearm,killing herself and her father. this firearm wasn't bought and the range was at fault for poor supervision, not reporting the firearm missing at once to police but they still argue. she had her interview and evaluation and training regarding the firearm at the range. Still those who went through the process to truly own a firearm its a completely different process.

 

[booargy]

we had a baby bonus to breed white people.

 

[YoungOne]

Still those who went through the process to truly own a firearm its a completely different process.

+1
Tell me about it. Over one year all in all to get membership verified, book and sit the training courses, have criminal record checks, mandatory waiting time - and then yet more mandatory waiting time - just to get a 30 year old single shot rifle that is no threat to anyone.
The Greens' most recent call to ban lawfully held handguns is nuts. If the problem is illegal guns in the hands of crime gangs - the answer is to go after the crime gangs and crack down on illegal guns. Removing lawfully held firearms does nothing except affect hundreds of thousands of sportsmen and women at huge cost.
Those who are afraid of guns should really book into a safety course or 'try shooting' day. Guns are just objects and are no more inherently dangerous than a car, a boat, or home distilled alcohol, for that matter. Stopping dangerous people from having access to tools they can use is the goal - which is why we have licensing for boats, cars, planes, firearms and other activities.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Ypu will never stop criminals from having guns the same way you will never stop illegall drugs.

Any fitter & turner can make a gun in less than a day. I mate of mine showed me some of the guns he made....was very suprised at how effective they where......not only that but they where also silenced.

 

[booargy]

+1
Tell me about it. Over one year all in all to get membership verified, book and sit the training courses, have criminal record checks, mandatory waiting time - and then yet more mandatory waiting time - just to get a 30 year old single shot rifle that is no threat to anyone.
The Greens' most recent call to ban lawfully held handguns is nuts. If the problem is illegal guns in the hands of crime gangs - the answer is to go after the crime gangs and crack down on illegal guns. Removing lawfully held firearms does nothing except affect hundreds of thousands of sportsmen and women at huge cost.
Those who are afraid of guns should really book into a safety course or 'try shooting' day. Guns are just objects and are no more inherently dangerous than a car, a boat, or home distilled alcohol, for that matter. Stopping dangerous people from having access to tools they can use is the goal - which is why we have licensing for boats, cars, planes, firearms and other activities.

semiauto handguns only lefties are supposed to use half truths.

 

[pommiebloke]

Ha, not trying to be an ass clown but it sounds like your working to undo everything Australia has done with regard to environment/firearms for the past 20 years. There's a good reason we did it in the first place. Still good on you for actually doing something. That said I wholeheartedly disagree with your parties policies. I do not want people given firearms for self defence.

I think that's the biggest load of **** I've ever read on this site.

 

[YoungOne]

semiauto handguns only lefties are supposed to use half truths.

after a while it all starts running together in my mind. They just want to get rid of everything.

For such a 'pro-tolerance' bunch it fascinates me how much they enjoy interfering in the lives of others.

 

[seamad]

+1
Tell me about it. Over one year all in all to get membership verified, book and sit the training courses, have criminal record checks, mandatory waiting time - and then yet more mandatory waiting time - just to get a 30 year old single shot rifle that is no threat to anyone. really?
The Greens' most recent call to ban lawfully held handguns is nuts. If the problem is illegal guns in the hands of crime gangs - the answer is to go after the crime gangs and crack down on illegal guns. Removing lawfully held firearms does nothing except affect hundreds of thousands of sportsmen and women at huge cost.
Those who are afraid of guns should really book into a safety course or 'try shooting' day. Guns are just objects and are no more inherently dangerous than a car, a boat, or home distilled alcohol, for that matter. Poppycock, you should move to texas. Stopping dangerous people from having access to tools they can use is the goal - which is why we have licensing for boats, cars, planes, firearms and other activities.