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Discussion in 'Gear and Equipment' started by wide eyed and legless, 1/3/17.

 

  1. malt and barley blues

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    Posted 26/8/19
    When are you going to try it WEAL?
    KK can answer for themselves now they are allowed to post on here. I had a gander at the 70 litre can't recall seeing a false bottom then again I wasn't looking for one.
     
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    Posted 26/8/19
    Well my twin bazooka screen was a complete failure (in fact the whole project - Frankenfather has been less than brilliant!). So I think the false bottom in the way to go. As WEAL said you need a bigger surface area or the pump starves.
    If you open up the helix, you sought of defeat the purpose! I just wonder if we expect too much out of a single vessel system - expecting it to do what a multi vessel system does? Or is pumping into a bright tank at boiling and letting it settle out the go?
    I don’t know! But I do know I have spent far too much on trying to build the perfect single vessel system and after this weekends efforts, I may as well go 3V!
     
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  3. Vic

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    Posted 26/8/19
    Change the way you use your chiller, I presume your immersion chiller is a SS or copper coil. Do it the other way around. Pass the wort through the chiller, immerse the chiller in something like a 20 L bucket with the ability to pass cooling water in and out. Not as efficient for sure but more convenient. Depending on temperatures, when cooling slows stop cooling water supply and ad ice to the bucket. I often cool this way to 12C. When at pitching temp if possible isolate the chiller so the pump is not restricted and really let your whirlpool spin up for a few minutes. Shut pump off and wait. I usually wait 50+ mins. You will have clear wort with a big cone of shame in the center. Position your intake about 80mm of the bottom (needs to be done before) not connected to the helix. Start transfer to fermenter at full speed. When wort level is close to the intake. Stop. Using a sanitised mash paddle push the intake down into the helix T-piece, no seal required. Restrict pump to a very slow flow, you can now get the last few liters out with no goop in your fermenter. This way the helix only has to filter a small quantity of the total wort and is unlikely to block. Latest brew, I did not bother with the T piece and just pushed the intake down between the helix and the edge. Seemed to work just as well. To get the last bit of precious wort tilt the vessel slowly, cone of shame should not get sucked in.
     
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    Posted 26/8/19
    Quoted mainly for "cone of shame".

    This might be the way i try next, but i'll just sacrifice a couple of L as i don't have a helix. What are people using to extend the pump intake? (in this case the 80mm from bottom)
     
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    Posted 26/8/19
    ROFLMAO at "Cone of shame"

    Sounds like a good idea and I will give it a try. Just wondering if you pushed the T piece down in between the helix last time then the helix isnt really needed at all? Could I just have an elbow with a barb that faces up and then as the level gets close spin it around so it faces down to get the last few litres of wort?
     
  6. Vic

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    Posted 26/8/19
    Without the helix, a lot more hop and break material gets sucked up. The helix works well for the last few litres.
     
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  7. Vic

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    Posted 26/8/19
    The barb and elbow bit is exactly how I do it.
     
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  8. wide eyed and legless

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    Posted 27/8/19
    Exactly as I have been doing it without a helix, made up a pick up arm and having the patience to wait while it all settles out. I know it shouldn't matter as I do allow for a 2 litre loss in the calculations, but then find it hard to waste it.:)
     
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    Posted 27/8/19
    If you do pump the wort hot, the helix will work, you will only get the break material in the fermenter and now you are the proud owner of the Guten conical you can just dump it.
    I am trying to find a solution to us poor people who have the PET fermenters.:)
     
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    Posted 27/8/19
    :) so true WEAL! In fact it is working so well I thinking of getting another!
    Just I was really hoping the helix would work!
    I see KK has 300 mm false bottoms & I started to wonder ;)
    Cheers
     
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    Posted 5/9/19
    Any luck with this set up WEAL? Have you tried it?
     
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    Check the Keg King thread, he reported that it worked very well
     
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    :bigcheers:
     
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    This is what I do, why is it bad and also why should I dump it?
    1. I dont use a helix and I drop hop pellets straight in the Guten 50L
    2. After boil, I use the immersion cooler and cool to about 40C (it doesnt take long, may 10mins)
    3. I remove the immersion cooler
    4. Then I whirlpool using a paddle connected to a portable drill, I whirlpool like this for 1 minute
    5. Let it settle for about 15min
    6. Using the Guten inbuilt pump, I pump into the conical fermenter, I use a kitchen metal sieve in between the hose and the fermenter. I usually catch a few debris at the beginning, and near the end.
    7. I cool the fermenter using a glycol chiller to pitching temps, this takes about 30-60m
    8. Add the yeast and dont bother dumping anything until after transfer to keg.
     
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    Hmmm ok if the helix works well with the hot wort, I’m thinking that if I pump the wort through the helix into the fermenter and then cool it with the immersion chiller ..........
     
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    Posted 6/9/19
    That's a 'Catch 22' you will end up with the cold break in the fermenter.
     
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    Posted 7/9/19
    does anyone have a PDF copy of the guten manual?
    I emailed KK this week to try and get a copy, but no response
    My copy has gone walkabout (read: the mrs put it somewhere while cleaning, more than likely under the bathroom sink)
     
  19. Reg Holt

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    Yes, same as if you no chill all the cold break ends up in the cube.
     
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    Google 'brew devil manual'. Should be first hit and it's nicer to read than the Guten manual.
     
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