Dry Versus Ferment Hopping

[felten]

This guy is a major troll, why even bother trying to correct him? If enough people ignore him maybe he'll disappear, the only problem then is trying to correct the BS brewing info he puts out into the forum.

 

[Nevalicious]

Hay big!!! Nat get some boxing gloves and some Vaseline

Then you can really enjoy yourself

What do you hope to achieve by being a total knob head

Try being polite it might surprise you

You cyber bot

Speedier than u

Read most of the other posts on this thread and take their advice dude.

Also, the above post... Are you age 12 or have you just drunk waaaaaaayy too many of your 400lt batches (by yourself)... Seriously...

"Try being polite?"

Well said f#@Khead!

The Bligerage Brewer

 

[Hatchy]

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Try being polite it might surprise you
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You make a valid point speedie. There really is no reason to abuse people because they don't agree with everything you say.

Some of yr posts make me think that a lot of us could learn something from you but some of them make me wonder if you can turn the computer on yourself or if yr Mum has to do it for you.

Apologies for being on topic but I was lying last night about the hops on the lawn. I chucked in 2g/L when I pitched the yeast & will probably go with 1g/L when I rack it.

If it turns out terrible I'll drink it all myself & pretend it never happened. If it turns out well then I may get to meet the queen & I'll say to her:

Gday yr majesty

I hopped this beer before & after ferment

Cheers

Hatchy

& then she'll probably give me a VC or a knighthood or a beagle or something.

 

[Nevalicious]

Apologies for being on topic but I was lying last night about the hops on the lawn. I chucked in 2g/L when I pitched the yeast & will probably go with 1g/L when I rack it.

So, hang on... I'm confused. Is that classed as ferment or dry hopping... Maybe Bum could clear this up since he got such a concise answer only 5 or 6 pages ago :lol:

If it turns out well then I may get to meet the queen & I'll say to her:

Gday yr majesty

I hopped this beer before & after ferment

Cheers

Hatchy

& then she'll probably give me a VC or a knighthood or a beagle or something.

Thats funny as. BUT, she may be confused also because she cannot ascertain whether you dry hopped or ferment hopped. Also, the beer may be hazy after fermnet hopping...

Purple monkey dishwaher

Nev

 

[Hatchy]

Thats funny as. BUT, she may be confused also because she cannot ascertain whether you dry hopped or ferment hopped. Also, the beer may be hazy after fermnet hopping...

Purple monkey dishwaher

Nev

You've seen my beer mate. If it's not hazy she won't believe it's my beer. I managed to brew a hazy stout remember.

 

[bignath]

Hay big!!! Nat get some boxing gloves and some Vaseline

Then you can really enjoy yourself

What do you hope to achieve by being a total knob head

Try being polite it might surprise you

You cyber bot

Speedier than u

You sir are a dead set cockhead.

Here's an idea. Go and have a read of most of my posts and you will see that in general i am a very polite and encouraging brewer. In particular to the people on this forum that will listen to advice. I rarely offer advice if i have no knowledge on the topic being discussed. A lighthearted joke everyonce in a while, sure, but usually i'm here to offer assistance.
I spend much of my time trying to help (as best as i can) brewers that are having problems. If it's a new brewer, i welcome them to the forum. If it's a not so new brewer, i try to be polite and answer their questions from my experience whilst realising that they may know more about certain aspects of brewing than i do.

I have all the tolerance in the world and am usually very much a fence sitter, diplomatic type personality, but when someone like you comes along that clearly doesn't take given advice, and resorts to bitch slapping tactics when he's proven incorrect time and time again, i'll come out of my nice little box swinging mate believe me.

You have no business on this forum other than to stir ****, and i genuinely believe you have no real love of all things beer.

You are a waste of valuable server space and i can't wait for you to **** off and leave the appreciation of beer and it's brewing to the rest of us.

That polite enough for you?

Nathan

 

[speedie]

Time and time again you put forward nothing but this is our space and I am the justifier of all that passes the board

Why dont you try and be adult in your approach

Do you really think that your knowledge of the art is so vast that you can slander with GAY! Abandon

If you are so passionate about brewing be a bit more ******* positive

Dont sit on your self appoint bench and pound your gavel

I would suggest all of you so called vigilantes reread some of what I posted and I am sure that you will find that there was no dissention coming from this side until some Jesuit picked up the first stone and let fly

speedie

 

[matr]

Well Congratulations speedie.. You have successfully pissed off another forum!!!

To be honest I saw this coming.. Please have a think about the common denominator here..

 

[Aus_Rider_22]

Time and time again you put forward nothing but this is our space and I am the justifier of all that passes the board

Why dont you try and be adult in your approach

Do you really think that your knowledge of the art is so vast that you can slander with GAY! Abandon

If you are so passionate about brewing be a bit more ******* positive

Dont sit on your self appoint bench and pound your gavel

I would suggest all of you so called vigilantes reread some of what I posted and I am sure that you will find that there was no dissention coming from this side until some Jesuit picked up the first stone and let fly

speedie

You seem to be able to call out people but you can't accept when your practices and opinions are proven wrong numerous times.

This might be an elaborate troll, I doubt it after reading other forums, but why can't you learn to listen and heed advice? Would save you a lot of huffing and puffing.

 

[bum]

I would suggest all of you so called vigilantes reread some of what I posted and I am sure that you will find that there was no dissention coming from this side until some Jesuit picked up the first stone and let fly

I think you'll find that of the few times that you might have said something where that might be relevant that most people will have a very strong defence in that your posts are uniformly nearly unintelligible - reading them again will give up no more info than what people already understand about your posts - you contribute nothing new and accuse everyone else of the same.

 

[bignath]

Time and time again you put forward nothing but this is our space and I am the justifier of all that passes the board

Why don't you try and be adult in your approach

Do you really think that your knowledge of the art is so vast that you can slander with GAY! Abandon

If you are so passionate about brewing be a bit more ******* positive

Don't sit on your self appoint bench and pound your gavel

I would suggest all of you so called vigilantes' reread some of what I posted and I am sure that you will find that there was no dissention coming from this side until some Jesuit picked up the first stone and let fly

speedie

:lol: :lol: :lol: **** that's funny...

Just when i thought it couldn't get any better. Mate i am aware that english may or may not be your primary language, and i am aware that it is very hard to convey emotion and context on a forum, but for **** sake mate, you couldn't be much more wrong if you tried. And everyone is telling you this....Take a hint dude, and read between the lines here.

Absolutely nothing about your post makes any sense. It's not the "grammar" or the linguistic side of it. It's the accusations you are making.
My five year old boy started school this week, and even he makes a shitload more sense than you.

1. I am the one acting like an adult here. You are the one coming across like a little school boy who's not winning the game.

2. I admit in nearly every post i submit, (particularly the ones that my knowledge is a little sketchy or inexperienced on) that i am a long way from an expert, and that someone else may be able to help better. So, do i think i know everything about making beer? Absolutely not. And what is "slander with GAY! abandon" supposed to mean. You've lost me on that one but **** did i laugh at it....

3. I am very passionate about making beer and giving correct advice. If you had taken me up on the offer of looking at some of my posts in other threads, you will (hopefully) be able to tell by the "tone" of my advice that i love making beer, and i love helping (where i can) others do the same. It is clearly you that doesn't get this. Can you seriously not tell that no one really wants to help you?

I have no more inclination or need to justify myself any longer to you. I put posts up here because i know i have (some) knowledge, however limited, that may help other people in their quest to make the beer they want to drink. Like other people who post on this forum, and in the spirit of healthy exchanges of information, i often get told by other members that they like the advice i have given them. This would not be an unusual situation for a lot of other member who also try to be similarly helpful. I am certainly not special in my circumstance or my knowledge. But i do know i'm sittng on the right side of the fence mate. Not sure how many people are currently pleased at the advice you are so good at dishing out.

I am going to leave this post and future exchanges with you well alone, as this is not being helpful to anyone anymore.

I am willing to be the bigger man out of the two of us (and yes i know i'm not the only member you take offence with) which makes me the adult, and you the tiny little lonely person who no one here likes.

I hope one day you re-read some of your "greatest hits" and realise what a cock you have been, and that maybe your conscious has a quiet word to you about how you go about communicating with other people.

Until then, i'm done.

 

[milob40]

yawn!!! . bring on the moderators, now go to your room :lol: h34r:

 

[bonj]

 

[barls]

here you go speedie

and for everyone else

 

[speedie]

If all of you self assured brewers think that I would stop brewing after 36 plus years you are more dumb than your comments

I would bet without a ******* doubt that my gaggots stay connected as 90% of you loose impetuous in your hobby and move onto more wife pleasing aspects in your life

I dont even know why I waste my time talking too slate!(thick ****)

Call me troll give a damn

No one has come back with any rational haze comments other than moron **** wit

Someone put your hand up on cyber space and quote something of substance

speedie
ps I do this in word then paste here as my key board skills arnt as go as my spanner hands
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[jonocarroll]

I would bet without a ******* doubt that my gaggots stay connected as 90% of you loose impetuous in your hobby and move onto more wife pleasing aspects in your life

No one has come back with any rational haze comments other than moron **** wit

Well, we've tried.

 

[speedie]

comments like that only cement your ignorance

 

[jonocarroll]

 

[bum]

No one has come back with any rational haze comments other than moron **** wit

Yeah, they have. The potential haze introduced by dry hopping is widely documented in pretty much all of the accepted texts (and has been suggested in this thread). It is often debated how much of an issue it is and in what circumstances but I'm pretty sure you're the only person in the world to refuse that the issue exists at all and demands some other answer. It is probably equally documented and discussed that the effects of dry hops are diminished if they are present for the most active parts of primary fermentation - again, you're Pat Malone in your denial of this accepted truth.

speedie
ps I do this in word then paste here as my key board skills arnt as go as my spanner hands

Then turn the spellcheck on FFS!

 

[dashiznit]

speedie
ps I do this in word then paste here as my key board skills arnt as go as my spanner hands
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So what you're telling us is that you have the ability to run a spell check, that also will pick up sentence structure and you chose to ignore it, as you do all the advice of the board?? Both the appearance and content of your poorly written compositions are a true testament to your oblivious belligerence.

Living your life in an existence where you listen to no-one, take no advice and attribute yourself with absolute omnipotence in brewing expertise, must certainly be a sad existence. You portray yourself as one who needs no advice, yet seeks it through these forums. In doing so, you've managed to ostracize yourself from all that have read your unintelligible rants.

If you aren't willing to give some consideration to the thoughts, opinions and advice of others i suggest you leave the board to those that are willing

Regardless, in my opinion, from the activity that you've displayed here, you are an absolute first class douche bag!!

(I rarely post... But this guys ***** me no end)

 

[Cocko]

I dont even know why I waste my time talking too slate!(thick ****)

 

[browndog]

So what you're telling us is that you have the ability to run a spell check, that also will pick up sentence structure and you chose to ignore it, as you do all the advice of the board?? Both the appearance and content of your poorly written compositions are a true testament to your oblivious belligerence.

Living your life in an existence where you listen to no-one, take no advice and attribute yourself with absolute omnipotence in brewing expertise, must certainly be a sad existence. You portray yourself as one who needs no advice, yet seeks it through these forums. In doing so, you've managed to ostracize yourself from all that have read your unintelligible rants.

If you aren't willing to give some consideration to the thoughts, opinions and advice of others i suggest you leave the board to those that are willing

Regardless, in my opinion, from the activity that you've displayed here, you are an absolute first class douche bag!!

(I rarely post... But this guys ***** me no end)

he can't help it, his gaggots are still connected :lol:

 

[MarkBastard]

Interestingly i dry hopped in the keg with flowers in swiss voile and no haze after a week. Light coloured pale ale. Does the pelleting process cause the haze?

 

[barls]

i dry hop in the keg with no haze using pellets. explain that speedie

 

[Effect]

Mods, please lock this thread and put it in the 'hall of shame' sub forum!

 

[Zizzle]

Mods, please lock this thread and put it in the 'hall of shame' sub forum!

No, no, it's too funny, let it go.

Gaggots connected!

Gold! Seriously, you couldn't make that slate up!

 

[bonj]

If all of you self assured brewers think that I would stop brewing after 36 plus years you are more dumb than your comments

I would bet without a ******* doubt that my gaggots stay connected as 90% of you loose impetuous in your hobby and move onto more wife pleasing aspects in your life

I dont even know why I waste my time talking too slate!(thick ****)

Call me troll give a damn

No one has come back with any rational haze comments other than moron **** wit

Someone put your hand up on cyber space and quote something of substance

speedie
ps I do this in word then paste here as my key board skills arnt as go as my spanner hands
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[DanRayner]

I was genuinely interested in the original topic and am now was too amused with the outcomes to let it go so I apologise for opening it up again

Regarding you original post, am I right in the following summary speedie?

You split one batch after chilling into two vessels. One you ferment out then add hops and in the other you add hops during fermentation. (Defined by you as ferment hopping and dry hopping but both are conventionally called dry hopping, and are differentiated by describing when hops are added relative to terminal gravity of the beer).

You found that the batch that was dry hopped before terminal gravity was reached (ferment hopping) was clearer and had a more desirable flavour than the batch that was dry hopped after terminal gravity was reached.

Now. From what I have read/heard/experienced the haze you would get from dry hopping is comprised, in part, by particles of the actual lupulin glands floating about in the beer. Why would this haze be in one of your batches but not the other? I have read that yeast does a lot more than just ferment sugar and one of the things it is good at is adhere to these little lupulin particles so if you add hops before the yeast has flocculated out then it is no doubt going to be clearer.

As for the apparent differences in flavour, this is far more subjective and without knowing what you have tasted it's a bit of guesswork, but these same particles of lupulin have the sorts of flavours that are usually desirable to brewers who dry hop so I can only assume that if you felt the beer tasted better when hops were added early then either a) you are not fond of these dry-hopped flavours or B) the quantity added was too much and so the more subdued batch (your so-called ferment hopped batch) was less intense and seeming less coarse than the later-hopped batch.

Does this sound like a reasonable assessment of your experiment? (regardless if whether you agree with my conclusions?)

Cheers, Dan

Ps - please forgive any spelling/grammatical mistakes, I have a tendency to write this sort of stuff from my iPhone in bed in the morning and it often auto-corrects without context

 

[Quintrex]

I must admit I've been quite amused following this thread too, but here is a serious resposne.


Dry hopping can cause haze right... the haze is typically formed of carbon based oily molecules that don't dissolve that fantastically in water, thus they appear as haze.

Hop oils stick to yeast cells right, which is 'one' of the the reasons why fermentation can strip hop flavour. I reckon that the oil component of the ferment hops (the haze forming stuff) is simply being adsorbed onto the yeast cells, reducing the haze in the ferment hopped example and i presume giving a less resiny (cleaner?) taste


But yeah I've just read Dan's post and I've just basically reiterated what he had already said.

meh