Dry Versus Ferment Hopping

[BjornJ]

this may have been said before.
If so, my bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense



Sorry if that is harsh, but I struggle to comprehend what is being written.
I just don't get the meaning.

English is not my first language, maybe it makes more sense and less chewbacca defense to others here.


Bjorn

I dont think that you can compare water and wort in the same way mhb

Making tea and brewing beer are poles apart

Your analogy may have some merit in trying to explain hazing for iced tea

But wort composition is some what more difficult to explain



What gives rise to the charge electrically in yeast and the trub

Yeast being negative and the other matter (colloidal) being positive



This is the area where I was giving some thought too in my experiment



There was a kettle addition of hops which is the normal thing then there was an identical amount go into both vessels post boil

The only difference being where in the fermentation cycle it was entered

I do give a lot of thought to why things happen and this was one suggestion that was put forward so hence the trail batches





If you read back through some of my other posts there has been a lot of slagging coming my way troll tool drop kick moron idiot

Is this absolutely necessary from so call intelligent brewers?

Qb you have stated the obvious in this trail much like I did when I was looking for some answers as to why? It dropped bright and other hazy

speedie

 

[barls]

my replies in your quote below

I dont think that you can compare water and wort in the same way mhb

Making tea and brewing beer are poles apart

Your analogy may have some merit in trying to explain hazing for iced tea

But wort composition is some what more difficult to explain
i think its the best description i heard, its obvious that you have never cold steeped grain for colour.

What gives rise to the charge electrically in yeast and the trub

Yeast being negative and the other matter (colloidal) being positive


mate if you want to get in to molecular science cause i think this is where your trying to steer it. i dont think you will get much info that you or i can understand.

This is the area where I was giving some thought too in my experiment



There was a kettle addition of hops which is the normal thing then there was an identical amount go into both vessels post boil

The only difference being where in the fermentation cycle it was entered

I do give a lot of thought to why things happen and this was one suggestion that was put forward so hence the trail batches





If you read back through some of my other posts there has been a lot of slagging coming my way troll tool drop kick moron idiot

Is this absolutely necessary from so call intelligent brewers?
speedie, i think if you had of answered some of the questions instead of re iterating what you said in the previous post, this may not have happened. also when you struck back with name calling it was all on. also your insistence to use the conventional terms to mean something completely different kinda went against you as well
besides if you take life to seriously, you miss all the fun of it.
barls ( one of the people who was making fun of you and id do it again given the chance)

 

[barls]

this may have been said before.
If so, my bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense

View attachment 43557

Sorry if that is harsh, but I struggle to comprehend what is being written.
I just don't get the meaning.

English is not my first language, maybe it makes more sense and less chewbacca defense to others here.


Bjorn

beat you too it by 20 odd post, look at 103.
cheers bjorn

 

[RobW]

.................. English is not my first language, ...........


Bjorn

Possibly not Speedie's either

 

[BjornJ]

beat you too it by 20 odd post, look at 103.
cheers bjorn

Ahh, yes of course.
Remember seeing it the other day and thought this was exactly what was going on in this thread.

Didn't remember I saw it on this exact thread, hehe!

oops.

Bjorn

 

[barls]

Ahh, yes of course.
Remember seeing it the other day and thought this was exactly what was going on in this thread.

Didn't remember I saw it on this exact thread, hehe!

oops.

Bjorn

its all good mate have another beer i am.

 

[bonj]

 

[speedie]

This must have come to a rest with itinerant Scandinavians putting there abba spin on what was a good thread

Chew phukin bacca

My bet is that you! Werent even born when that ground breaking movie hit the screen

 

[bignath]

Not sure how to go about my assumption on ferment hopping (dry for the sack of some pedantic brewers) but from obviation in the boil there is a lot of action in the wort, so there would be a fair amount of friction going on



Which would cause some sort of electro action (positive / negative charges) which bring about a clumping of particulate

This aids in flocculation of the colloidal matter which gives rise to hazing effect



Now if we take on the ferment hopping aspect of the exercise one could put a similar spin on what is happening in the ferment action



There is a tremendous amount of rolling going on in the wort due to the release of Co2 so I would assume that this would produce a similar phenomenon with respect to electro attraction

Thus bringing about a clear haze free beer



Now the end result is one brew has a colloidal appearance with very grassy notes and the other is brilliant with a balance that is more evident to most samplers



So from basic thought and observation we have attempted to rationalize a thought process into reality



Hay the up side of it is there is still about three hundred liters to taste



Cheers speedie

Ummmm, i just wanna make beer............

 

[NickB]

This must have come to a rest with itinerant Scandinavians putting there abba spin on what was a good thread

Chew phukin bacca

My bet is that you! Werent even born when that ground breaking movie hit the screen

Seriously dude, just send me some of what you're on and I'd be a happy person.

To stick on topic, either dry hop, or not dry hop. Whatever your palate prefers is the go.

Cheers

 

[Nevalicious]

Seriously dude, just send me some of what you're on and I'd be a happy person.

To stick on topic, either dry hop, or not dry hop. Whatever your palate prefers is the go.

Cheers

Or ferment hop man... Whatev's!!!

SerioUSlY, sPeEDiE, STFU :lol:

 

[barls]

seriously picking on the immigrant now, i think this one sums it up best

 

[bonj]

I love this thread....

Someone's an angry little man and won't let it die.

 

[BjornJ]

This must have come to a rest with itinerant Scandinavians putting there abba spin on what was a good thread

Chew phukin bacca

My bet is that you! Werent even born when that ground breaking movie hit the screen

This is awesome!!

The Abba line, good one. Some times I get the "Bjorn Again" thing as well.

itinerant = Big Word!! Had to look it up. Can't say I consider myself a drifter, more of the immigrant type after having been here for half a dozen years. But reading on Wikipedia one of the classes of itinerant is "World Citizen" which sounds nicer?
Impressive either way, from someone who struggles with stringing sentences together




I WAS!!! four. When Movie was. Old, OK!?
Years. Released_. So how do you ferment explain hop that?? ONE keg! No today, make no sense men det blser vel jeg i, scheise!! Det her er det dummeste p en stund yet, but who cares, right?!.





I usually just skip the bullship on this site, like any other web site.
It helps to learn to read the stuff that matters and just ignore the ads and some of the posters on here.

But this is too good to ignore.

Please. Don't. Stop.
Keep the entertainment coming.




But seriously, you can come to a brew meetup with us anytime. Always interesting with people with different or strong opinions.
Next one is in north Sydney 26th of March.


( . Y . )


Bjorn

 

[speedie]

Why dont we go to the fiords you **** if I am going to waste an airfare stuff Sydney

To the rest of you f heads post something of substance

Not one (1) of you rooster heads makes sense

Or can discuss with merit ,fuckall
moderatation please
speedie

 

[Cocko]

Not one (1) of you rooster heads makes sense
Or can discuss with merit ,fuckall
moderatation please

Great leading by example there bud!

 

[bum]

I WAS!!! four. When Movie was. Old, OK!?

I've seen you mention, a couple of times, that English is your second language as an explanation for why you're questioning someone's post - don't do this again. That joke is perfect and shows your grasp of the language is more than functional.

Speedie, my rooster head asked you completely reasonable questions about your process so we could all understand what the hell it was you were talking about and you responded with nothing but vitriol - get off your moderately vertical horse.

 

[speedie]

bum i would gladly discuss **** with you
as for the others forgetit
by the way three samplers tonight enjoyed ferment batch over post ferment
i dont perpose to name things as dry hop is dry hop
but how puts it in the ferment
some lame old brewer
night speedie

 

[Nevalicious]

Gonna have to have a word with Smurto at the next Beer Presentation night for telling this douche to come over to AHB h34r:

 

[speedie]

bum there ya go see what i mean
**** attracts ****
speak freely @ your case! meetings brother
dam the cursed bligerage brewer