Cm2, Fourstar, Brendo, Maple Collaboration Brewday #2

[Fourstar]

I've sourced our vanilla pods. Tahitian vanilla pids at that.
So another item ticked

whats the damage for the vanilla?? 3x pods per person? As an idea, do we want to add them to the boil and then 1x to the cube?

Im also interested in soaking 1 with the oak + bourbon. :icon_drool2:

W/the recipe, the choc has been replaced by carafa for smooooothness (and following the debittered idea from goose island). Do we need oats?? I dont think it needs any more body and im sure there will be enough mouthfeel from the rye so its kinda redundant. Also, we already have 7 grains in the bill.

I did the recipe to 90L (like the BW was) due to guesstimated/unforseen losses and kettle deadspace. It seemed to work out well for the BW so i kept the vol the same.

on another point, oak chips or staves? Do we want bourbon barrel or wine barrel or left up to each brewer to source their own? IIRC Dave at greensy has Jim Beam Chips. Another option is we could aslo use jack daniels smoker chips from bunnings/bbq galore. From memory the chips are old JD casks. This might be a cheaper and smarter option. At least we will have better surface area to calculate out and not putting the beer on sawdust as most chips seem to be. (from what i observed at G&G the last time i was there.)

I will adjust the recipe back to the same weights as the BW. (this is currently 3-5kg more.)

 

[Maple]

on another point, oak chips or staves? Do we want bourbon barrel or wine barrel or left up to each brewer to source their own? IIRC Dave at greensy has Jim Beam Chips. Another option is we could aslo use jack daniels smoker chips from bunnings/bbq galore. From memory the chips are old JD casks. This might be a cheaper and smarter option. At least we will have better surface area to calculate out and not putting the beer on sawdust as most chips seem to be. (from what i observed at G&G the last time i was there.)

I'd stay away from the smoking chips. If any moisture gets into those packages, they are a full-on recipe for mould. might be a good funk, but I wouldn't be risking it, even if you steamed the mofo's, there's every chance it won't get it all.

I do a lot of bbq smoking, and have noticed this on several occasions - just a heads-up. Perhaps we can get a wine barrel (direct) and carve it up....or ferment in it?

The recipe is looking good though guys. Doesn't have to beat the BW gravity wise though - that was a mammoth brew...

 

[brettprevans]

All good points 4*.
I did think that the Oates may be slightly redundant but figured it would just add another dimension.
Leave the grain bill as is then.

Vanilla was uber cheap. Straight from Tahiti. U don't want the details over the net should be enough for 3 each
If we are all happy for vanilla in the base then yeah, 8 pods in the boil and 1 each for secondary.

I recon oak chips and soak them in JD is the way to go. I'm up for that, but I don't think Brendo is.

 

[Fourstar]

Vanilla was uber cheap. Straight from Tahiti. U don't want the details over the net should be enough for 3 each
If we are all happy for vanilla in the base then yeah, 8 pods in the boil and 1 each for secondary.

I recon oak chips and soak them in JD is the way to go. I'm up for that, but I don't think Brendo is.

Super awesome big fella.

Dave, I forgot to mention this at mrs parmas. I had a chat with the lady at winequip about a year ago and she guarantees an infection in any barrel they can source (wine). Which is good if you want funk but not for our purpose. Even the barking duck matilda bay did in a chardonnay bottle ened up with a massive brett infection horse blanket galore.

Did you find mould on the chips after you where storing them or a direct purchase from bunnings? The warehouse environment might not be good for moisture. BBQs galore might be a better option for sotrage stability etc. Also, throwing wood at any beer is a dangerous option w/respect to infection We just got to hope we dont end up with one.

Do any of us have a butane torch or creme brulee torch? we could always perform our own armageddon on the chips and give them a scorching? Just an idea.

 

[brettprevans]

I think I bought tge old man a brle torch. Will check. Otherwise we can give them the oven/toasting treatment.

 

[Maple]

Super awesome big fella.

Dave, I forgot to mention this at mrs parmas. I had a chat with the lady at winequip about a year ago and she guarantees an infection in any barrel they can source (wine). Which is good if you want funk but not for our purpose. Even the barking duck matilda bay did in a chardonnay bottle ened up with a massive brett infection horse blanket galore.

Did you find mould on the chips after you where storing them or a direct purchase from bunnings? The warehouse environment might not be good for moisture. BBQs galore might be a better option for sotrage stability etc. Also, throwing wood at any beer is a dangerous option w/respect to infection We just got to hope we dont end up with one.

Do any of us have a butane torch or creme brulee torch? we could always perform our own armageddon on the chips and give them a scorching? Just an idea.

The chips were from BBQ Gal. I've seen it at big green warehouse as well though. I think if you stick them in a bowl of water, and steam them thoroughly you'd be pretty safe - that's what I do... Steam with Talisker is especially good.

 

[Fourstar]

The chips were from BBQ Gal. I've seen it at big green warehouse as well though. I think if you stick them in a bowl of water, and steam them thoroughly you'd be pretty safe - that's what I do... Steam with Talisker is especially good.

Scorched earth treatment is on the cards me thinks.

 

[brendo]

Recipe looks good to me - but would just look at dropping the OG back a bit for volume reasons to make it more manageable.

I haven't decided if I will oak yet or not - it is a possibility... all over the vanilla pod idea, one in the cube would be good I reckon.

 

[Fourstar]

ok, scaled back to 1.089. lost close to 10kg off the bill.

vic bourbon barrel vanilla imperial stout
Imperial Stout

Type: All Grain
Date: 5/11/2010
Batch Size: 90.00 L
Brewer: Braden
Boil Size: 113.99 L Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 60 min Equipment: My Brew Pot (40L) and Frosty Cooler (38L)
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00

Ingredients
25.00 kg Pale Malt, Ale (Barrett Burston) (3.0 SRM) Grain 66.49 %
4.00 kg Rye Malt (Weyermann) (3.0 SRM) Grain 10.64 %
3.00 kg Munich I (Weyermann) (7.1 SRM) Grain 7.98 %
2.50 kg Carafa Special II (Weyermann) (415.0 SRM) Grain 6.65 %
1.50 kg Roasted Barley (Joe White) (558.0 SRM) Grain 3.99 %
0.80 kg Caraaroma (Weyermann) (178.0 SRM) Grain 2.13 %
0.80 kg Crystal Malt - 60L (Thomas Fawcett) (60.0 SRM) Grain 2.13 %
180.00 gm Magnum [12.10 %] (60 min) (First Wort Hop) Hops 50.2 IBU
150.00 gm Goldings, East Kent [5.00 %] (20 min) Hops 9.5 IBU
12.00 items Vanilla Bean (Boil 5.0 min) Misc
100.00 gm Oak Chips (Secondary 4.0 weeks) Misc
4 Pkgs American Ale II (Wyeast Labs #1272) Yeast-Ale

Beer Profile
Est Original Gravity: 1.089 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.022 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 8.84 %
Bitterness: 59.7 IBU
Est Color: 56.8 SRM

Mash Profile
Single Infusion, Medium Body Step Time Name Description Step Temp
60 min Mash In Add 105.18 L of water at 73.1 C 67.0 C
10 min Mash Out Add 54.99 L of water at 86.0 C 73.0 C

Notes

add vanilla and oak chips to secondary (keg) to age for 1 month.

add 100sq cm of oak per L of beer this is the ratio used for wine aging. remember size of chips is front and back for surface area.

 

[manticle]

I doubt you want to use as much oak as you would for wine. Once it's in there, you can't remove it. My own experience with oak aged beers suggests you can add it in at various points if you think it isn't strong enough.

Also the Oak chips I bought from Grain and grape some time ago are far from sawdust. Generally I dry toast mine but soaking in bourbon for a good length of time should help destroy nasties. I've never heard of brett growing in whisky.

 

[Fourstar]

I doubt you want to use as much oak as you would for wine. Once it's in there, you can't remove it. My own experience with oak aged beers suggests you can add it in at various points if you think it isn't strong enough.

Also the Oak chips I bought from Grain and grape some time ago are far from sawdust. Generally I dry toast mine but soaking in bourbon for a good length of time should help destroy nasties. I've never heard of brett growing in whisky.

i should probably clarify, i took this dosage rate from BYO as recommendatins for oaking beers. the amount recommended per L contact was that of whcih is used by most microbreweries. As for the oak at G&G, i was there yesterday and still nothing like a 'chip' (or smoker chip style) but fine shards and the next thing up was french oak staves, which i personally am not interested in.

 

[Jimbeer]

I've just gotten my first all grain brew equipment for Christmas. I was wondering when you guys were gonna do this because I'd love to see experienced brewers go through the process first hand and was wondering if I could sit and observe if that was alright with you guys

 

[brettprevans]

fellas we really need to pick a date and finalise the recipes so we can sort out equip requirements. lets brew these *******.

Date
What about Saturday 29 Jan?

Location
depending on wheather we need 15amp power we can still have it at my place. the missus has given the all clear. Otherwise its at Brendan's.

Equip Needed
Brendan - did you upgrade your tun?

Beers
(need to work out equipment so we know how many brews we are doing)
- vic bourbon barrel vanilla imperial stout & partigyle
- New World Hop Lager + partigyle 'no boil' berlinner
- any one interested in doing an 'old world'/radical brew like Devon White Ale or Kvass or something else

 

[brendo]

Will double check that date with the Boss - but think it will be ok.

Re tun - I am just about to buy a big one - 150-160L and will just need to make up a copper manifold between now and then - so we should be good.

Re other equip, regardless of where we do it I can bring my two kettles, burners and both mash tuns. If done at my place I can throw my HLT into the mix too.

If we do it at yours Brett I will need some assistance transporting it all - ain't gunna fit in our little car. I will still be right to mill the grain too if we want.

 

[Fourstar]

i now have my two keggle system setup and raring to go, infact brewing itss second batch as we speak on it. hopefully i have now dialed in my losses. *fingers are crossed*.

as for the date, i'll have cricket. if all is good with you fella ill just turn up later in the day? Im sure this is going to be another 12-16 hour jobby so i wont miss much!

i can organise delivery of my gear if needed prior to the day of the brewup.

cheers.

 

[brettprevans]

i now have my two keggle system setup and raring to go, infact brewing itss second batch as we speak on it. hopefully i have now dialed in my losses. *fingers are crossed*.

as for the date, i'll have cricket. if all is good with you fella ill just turn up later in the day? Im sure this is going to be another 12-16 hour jobby so i wont miss much!

i can organise delivery of my gear if needed prior to the day of the brewup.

cheers.

mate your always brewing during the week. pulling sickie or are you one of these bastards who gets RDOs?

re date. is another date better? or are you having cricket every weekend?

re your rig. cool. so pretty much we can have have 4 rigs going or at least parts of 4 rigs going. sounds like we should be able to bash out a solid 450L (working on 5 batches of 90L each)

 

[Fourstar]

mate your always brewing during the week. pulling sickie or are you one of these bastards who gets RDOs?

re date. is another date better? or are you having cricket every weekend?

re your rig. cool. so pretty much we can have have 4 rigs going or at least parts of 4 rigs going. sounds like we should be able to bash out a solid 450L (working on 5 batches of 90L each)

Im still on AL until monday. Its also called not having kids and living so close to the city so i can get home, brew and be done and dusted by 10:30.

Ive pretty much got cricket until the end of feb and im now the captain of our one day side so its kind of important i actually play.

Also, my rig is 100% gas fired. no elecricity in sight. I can bring my 40L pot if we need something extra for heating water etc if need be.

 

[Leigh]

If that is the date, I can drop round in the morning with a trailer Brendan...

 

[brendo]

If that is the date, I can drop round in the morning with a trailer Brendan...

Thanks Leigh - once a date is locked in, I will work it out.

Braden - end of Feb... Looks like we are a while away then maybe, unless we start without you. Either way, as long as you fall asleep for some sharpie action it is all good

 

[brettprevans]

he can come late and be mash bitch whilst we relax

Braden - ......Either way, as long as you fall asleep for some sharpie action it is all good

cartoon braden sharpie action - http://www.converttocartoon.com/index.php