Cardinal Pell's no show

[earle]

Yep, all you (us) non-beleivers are the same.

The reason no one asks this question a lot is because most people have preconceived ideas and notions about what an Atheist is and is not. Where these preconceived ideas come from varies, but they tend to evolve from theistic influences or other sources.
Atheism is usually defined incorrectly as a belief system. Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods. Older dictionaries define atheism as "a belief that there is no God." Some dictionaries even go so far as to define Atheism as "wickedness," "sinfulness," and other derogatory adjectives. Clearly, theistic influence taints dictionaries. People cannot trust these dictionaries to define atheism. The fact that dictionaries define Atheism as "there is no God" betrays the (mono)theistic influence. Without the (mono)theistic influence, the definition would at least read "there are no gods."
Why should atheists allow theists to define who atheists are? Do other minorities allow the majority to define their character, views, and opinions? No, they do not. So why does everyone expect atheists to lie down and accept the definition placed upon them by the world’s theists? Atheists will define themselves.
Atheism is not a belief system nor is it a religion. While there are some religions that are atheistic (certain sects of Buddhism, for example), that does not mean that atheism is a religion. Two commonly used retorts to the nonsense that atheism is a religion are: 1) If atheism is a religion then bald is a hair color, and 2) If atheism is a religion then health is a disease. A new one introduced in 2012 by Bill Maher is, "If atheism is a religion, then abstinence is a sexual position."
The only common thread that ties all atheists together is a lack of belief in gods and supernatural beings. Some of the best debates we have ever had have been with fellow atheists. This is because atheists do not have a common belief system, sacred scripture or atheist Pope. This means atheists often disagree on many issues and ideas.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Well, I am probably an agnostic athiest....

 

[Parks]

There is a pretty big fundamental difference between saying "I do not believe in your God/s" and "I believe there are no gods"

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

WHAT...you mean there are other Gods.......

 

[Parks]

I can't tell you for a fact that there aren't [emoji6]

 

[earle]

I just hope we can finish this before case swap. I know we got onto to philosophical stuff at the Xmas swap at Benken's but I really can't remember what it was about. Hmmm, maybe something to do with Muslim extremists?

 

[hotmelt]

 

[Parks]

Pretty sure it was about fortune tellers [emoji51]

 

[Liam_snorkel]

I just hope we can finish this before case swap. I know we got onto to philosophical stuff at the Xmas swap at Benken's but I really can't remember what it was about. Hmmm, maybe something to do with Muslim extremists?

that was good fun, wish I'd gone to bed much earlier though :blink: *yawn*

 

[Feldon]

Yep, all you (us) non-beleivers are the same.

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The reason no one asks this question a lot is because most people have preconceived ideas and notions about what an Atheist is and is not. Where these preconceived ideas come from varies, but they tend to evolve from theistic influences or other sources.
Atheism is usually defined incorrectly as a belief system. Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods. Older dictionaries define atheism as "a belief that there is no God." Some dictionaries even go so far as to define Atheism as "wickedness," "sinfulness," and other derogatory adjectives. Clearly, theistic influence taints dictionaries. People cannot trust these dictionaries to define atheism. The fact that dictionaries define Atheism as "there is no God" betrays the (mono)theistic influence. Without the (mono)theistic influence, the definition would at least read "there are no gods."
Why should atheists allow theists to define who atheists are? Do other minorities allow the majority to define their character, views, and opinions? No, they do not. So why does everyone expect atheists to lie down and accept the definition placed upon them by the world’s theists? Atheists will define themselves.
Atheism is not a belief system nor is it a religion. While there are some religions that are atheistic (certain sects of Buddhism, for example), that does not mean that atheism is a religion. Two commonly used retorts to the nonsense that atheism is a religion are: 1) If atheism is a religion then bald is a hair color, and 2) If atheism is a religion then health is a disease. A new one introduced in 2012 by Bill Maher is, "If atheism is a religion, then abstinence is a sexual position."
The only common thread that ties all atheists together is a lack of belief in gods and supernatural beings. Some of the best debates we have ever had have been with fellow atheists. This is because atheists do not have a common belief system, sacred scripture or atheist Pope. This means atheists often disagree on many issues and ideas.

Athieism is the belief in the non-belief in God.

There, FIFY.

Anyway whoever wrote that is illiterate. "...to define Atheism as "wickedness," "sinfulness," and other derogatory adjectives".

Wickedness and sinfulness are nouns, not adjectives.

 

[earle]

Pretty sure it was about fortune tellers [emoji51]

Or fortune telling terrorists "I can tell you exactly how you're going to die"

 

[earle]

Ah, the old "your grammar is incorrect therefore your whole point of view is invalid" argument.

 

[Feldon]

Ah, the old "your grammar is incorrect therefore your whole point of view is invalid" argument.

Not at all.

My first point which you ignored is that "Athieism is the belief in the non-belief in God."

 

[Liam_snorkel]

that sentence makes no sense, to the dictionary with you!

 

[Feldon]

that sentence makes no sense, to the dictionary with you!

How?

(and dictionaries provide definitions of words, not guidance on sentence structure)

 

[earle]

Not at all.

My first point which you ignored is that "Athieism is the belief in the non-belief in God."

You are correct, I did ignore your first point but only because you rewrote the old incorrect definition of athieism with very slightly different words that made it no more correct.

 

[earle]

Anyway, its been fun but I've got a meeting to get to. Carry on.

 

[Feldon]

You are correct, I did ignore your first point but only because you rewrote the old incorrect definition of athieism with very slightly different words that made it no more correct.

Yes, my definition nailed it.

Bye bye.

 

[Liam_snorkel]

You tried to redefine a word. To the dictionary with you!

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

I can't tell you for a fact that there aren't [emoji6]

Well that is a relief.. I was kinda worried there for a second