Braumeister NEXTGEN Build

[Tony]

found this for Spiral wended SS tube... 304 or 316.

Will ring them on monday to see what sort of lengths and costs....... 355mm x 1.6mm should take the stock 50l seal perfectly

http://www.atlassteels.com.au/documents/tu...rect_spiral.pdf

 

[matho]

So here is the mechanical part of the build in PDF

View attachment BrauMiser_Build_Part_1.pdf

the next part will cover the controller build and the final part will be and instruction maunal

I should have the second part finished in a couple of days hopefully

cheers steve

 

[kelbygreen]

nice steve would love to see your thoughts after a few brews. I might wait to upgrade to a herms and go something like this. Although I still want to do doubles and dont like the idea of electric but its hard to automate gas haha.

 

[matho]

nice steve would love to see your thoughts after a few brews. I might wait to upgrade to a herms and go something like this. Although I still want to do doubles and dont like the idea of electric but its hard to automate gas haha.

yep no worries mate

 

[booargy]

where is the electrics part?

 

[kelbygreen]

next few days he said. Sure there is a heap to put in its not a simple build even with the instructions I am sure if your not a electrician or a electrical engineer then you will have to get one to help you

 

[riverside]

Well thanks to a fellow AHB'r i have discovered they are 350mm diameter...... PERFECT

Hi Tony

Do you know the height of the 50ltr malt pipe ?

Cheers

 

[Tony]

Hi Tony

Do you know the height of the 50ltr malt pipe ?

Cheers

Copy / Paste:

the 50L malt pipe is 350mm OD x 472 long. It has a 10mm lip rolled over at 90 deg at the top as well as a 10 mm deep 'V' indent rolled inward 90mm up from the bottom to hold the bottom filter plate.


Mine will be 350 x 450 and will work something out to hold the bottom filter plate...... 4 bits of 12mm dia SS round bar, 10mm long, drilled and tapped and screwed in from the outside should work fine!

 

[seamad]

Arzaman,
Dont know what your malt tube diam is but you can get big hose type clamps. Put your filter in then tighten up, should seal it up nice i reckon.
Cheers
Sean

 

[Tony]

and dont like the idea of electric but its hard to automate gas haha.

Mate...... with gas, you lose about 90% of the heat energy you produce around the side...... not much goes into the kettle. With electric its the opposite.

Far more energy efficient thus cheaper to run!

Also i hate the noise of a big burner when i want to listen to music while brewing :super:

 

[AlexL]

Hey Guys,

thought I'd share the progress of my build so far.
I'm using a 32L pot with an 11L malt pipe and a 2.4kW element. The control system is a Brewtroller Lite. I still need to fit a thermowell but apart from that I'm almost finished. Next step is to learn how to do my first all grain brew.

Alex

 

[Tony]

BIAB............ say hello to the next best thing!

This is going to be a BIG thread i think

Im going to order my fittings, electronics and element next week and start getting prices on stands and malt tube materials

Ooooooo i cant wait to get this baby together

 

[matho]

looking good Alex, I would like to see more about the brewtroller lite and your program for it.

Tony, the build is the best part I think, I love designing and making things and seeing them work at the end, keeps my brain busy

keep them coming guys

cheers matho

 

[AlexL]

Hey Matho

http://www.brewtroller.com/ is a good place to start. The lite version is the latest evolution in Brewtroller systems but would be able to handle up to a 3V system. It's only been out for a couple of months and I've yet to work out how to program it for a single vessel set up. I know that Arnie has a Brewtroller so it's definitely possible. I'll keep you updated on how I go.

Where did you source your thermowell from?

Cheers,

Alex

 

[matho]

Where did you source your thermowell from?

hehe i made it out of a 10mm stainless steel bolt








I used a lathe to make this but i have made one with just a drill and bench grinder

cheers matho

 

[komodo]

Matho where did you get the element made up?
did they have to bend it to shape for you or was it flexible to do the turn around in the pot? Very interested in that element!
roughly how much did it cost if you dont mind my asking?

Cheers

 

[matho]

Matho where did you get the element made up?
did they have to bend it to shape for you or was it flexible to do the turn around in the pot? Very interested in that element!
roughly how much did it cost if you dont mind my asking?

Cheers

I got the element made up by a company called Thermal Electric Elements, it was delivered straight and i had to bend it but im sure they could bend it for you, they are very helpfull.
I would say that bending it by hand is on par with bending 1/2 copper pipe by hand, for the large bends its not hard but for the tighter bends i would recommend getting a small pipe bender.

The cost for a custom made 316 stainless steel element delivered to my door was $172, it sound like a bit but i got exactly what i wanted and it was of excellent quality.

cheers matho

 

[AlexL]

Cheers Matho,
unfortunately I have neither a bench grinder nor lathe... the perils of apartment living. However I do like the look of yours.

Komodo,

If you want to spend a little bit less on an element I posted some links a page or two back - I paid $93 for mine shipped (2.4kW 2000mm). Not as shiny as mathos though.

 

[MastersBrewery]

Been following this for a bit was wondering if anyone knew the dimensions of speidles 20l malt pipe? Great work btw matho, I can see this thread growing as others make their own, with individual innovations.
Mike

 

[Tony]

Ok.... question for those with one........

I have been thinking about what sort of clearance is good or bad for the false bottom, and top plates around the outside, where they go in the malt tube.

And...... Im thinking of getting SS mesh / cloth as a filter for the FB plates..... whjat do you recon would be a good apature?

Im thinking 500 or 750 micron ???

Thoughts

 

[the_new_darren]

I had to watch the video to understand how this worked.

How much for the 200 Litre one with inbuilt cooling?

tnd

 

[Malted]

Ok.... question for those with one........
I have been thinking about what sort of clearance is good or bad for the false bottom, and top plates around the outside, where they go in the malt tube.

I can't tell you what is good or bad but I can tell you the 50L jobby has an element that is about 80mm up from the bottom and the bottom falsie in the malt pipe is about 100mm from the bottom. It does not seem to scortch the bottom plate or grain, I guess the pump moving the liquid helps. Every 10 minutes or so the pump stops for a break but I have not noted if the element stops during this semi-phase.
The 50L has two elements (3,600W in total) - one under the malt pipe (contained by it) and one in the wort between the malt pipe and the outer sides of the vessel (around the malt pipe). I do not know if the inside element under the malt pipe runs flat bicky or if the outer element has more amps running to it.

Not sure about your question that I have marked in red. Do you mean the diameter of the false bottom versus the diameter of the malt pipe? Or am I totally off track?

 

[hosko11]

And...... Im thinking of getting SS mesh / cloth as a filter for the FB plates..... whjat do you recon would be a good apature?

Im thinking 500 or 750 micron ???

Thoughts

I can't help much with the right aperture, but I plan on using SS mesh for at least the top filter as well. Worst case, if it doesn't work well you can enclose it with a voile bag like what MHB (i think) sells for the BM - that's my plan.

I brought mesh in 5 different apertures and wire thicknesses to try:
#16, 0.028"
#20, 0.023"
#8, 0.063"
#10, 0.035"
#8, 0.047"
Also will be using some stainless to create a frame that the mesh will sit against to provide further support and rigidity, though I'm starting to worry about weight as I was planning to have a floating top filter like the BM....
Cheers,
Hosko

 

[matho]

I etched some more boards last night for two reasons, one I have done some changes and i want to see if it works and two im putting together a pictorial on how to etch the boards




cheers matho

 

[NickB]

Love your work Matho. I'm considering one just for ***** and giggles as I'm happy with my HERMS, but I love to build stuff. Was looking at the cheaper BrewTroller, but if you are going to provide a parts list etc I might go that way. Now to get it past the 'financial controller'... Ahem.



Cheers!

 

[matho]

Love your work Matho. I'm considering one just for ***** and giggles as I'm happy with my HERMS, but I love to build stuff. Was looking at the cheaper BrewTroller, but if you are going to provide a parts list etc I might go that way. Now to get it past the 'financial controller'... Ahem.



Cheers!

yeah nick I plan on putting together a parts list with reference to where i got it from hopefully tonight

cheers

 

[bignath]

yeah nick I plan on putting together a parts list with reference to where i got it from hopefully tonight

cheers

Legend!

Looking forward to this one...

 

[Tony]

I can't tell you what is good or bad but I can tell you the 50L jobby has an element that is about 80mm up from the bottom and the bottom falsie in the malt pipe is about 100mm from the bottom. It does not seem to scortch the bottom plate or grain, I guess the pump moving the liquid helps. Every 10 minutes or so the pump stops for a break but I have not noted if the element stops during this semi-phase.
The 50L has two elements (3,600W in total) - one under the malt pipe (contained by it) and one in the wort between the malt pipe and the outer sides of the vessel (around the malt pipe). I do not know if the inside element under the malt pipe runs flat bicky or if the outer element has more amps running to it.

Not sure about your question that I have marked in red. Do you mean the diameter of the false bottom versus the diameter of the malt pipe? Or am I totally off track?

You are totaly on track!
Im wondering how much clearance between the false top and bottom plates is acceptable inside the malt tube?

2 elements hey........ well thats a great idea and makes sence. I have been concerned about a lot of energy in the outer ring of liquid and uneven temperatures with the large diameter and a single draw point......... that would silve this problem!

Back to the drawing board

though I'm starting to worry about weight as I was planning to have a floating top filter like the BM....
Cheers,
Hosko

Ive thought about this and a bit of SS tube over the centersupport rod between the top and bottom plates should keep them seperated...... its just an idea at this stage


Got some things happening today with getting a malt tube and stand made.......... just need to order all the fittings and electronics on line now.

cheers

 

[Malted]

You are totaly on track!
Im wondering how much clearance between the false top and bottom plates is acceptable inside the malt tube?
2 elements hey........ well thats a great idea and makes sence. I have been concerned about a lot of energy in the outer ring of liquid and uneven temperatures with the large diameter and a single draw point......... that would silve this problem!
Back to the drawing board
Ive thought about this and a bit of SS tube over the centersupport rod between the top and bottom plates should keep them seperated...... its just an idea at this stage
Got some things happening today with getting a malt tube and stand made.......... just need to order all the fittings and electronics on line now.
cheers

Clearance between top and bottom filter plates? That is where the grain is. There is a rod through the middle and both plates and grain can slide up it during pump flow or down when you lift the malt pipe out. Still not following that train of thought. Why try to seperate the top and bottom plates, the grain does that?

The 50L also has two pumps so there are two draw points from the liquid outside the malt pipe - down into pumps - squirted up through grain in malt pipe - overflow back into space between malt pipe and vessell wall.

Happy to take & post pictures of any part of the BM you want. Matho appears to be replicating the system very well.

 

[Tony]

pictures of the elements and the inside base arangement would be awsome!