First post, question followed by a question mark:
Effectively, it looks to me like they're making a liquid yeast, by adding dried yeast. What's the point?
After that was answered by multiple people, we have questions 2 and 3:
I guess the most frustrating part here, is I've asked what the POINT is of making a yeast starter, and everybody's gone "HERE'S THE RECIPE YOU IDIOT!!!". Effectively my question has gone unanswered in fabour of newbie bashing.
I also asked how to re-make yeast by re-using some of the beer from your brew keg.
After clearly explaining the point of a starter (which was promptly ignored, as was the red typing thing), and being directed to
How To Brew (which was also ignored).
Question 3 is answered on the first post of the the first link, in the first reply to this thread, a thread which you posted in before you made this one!
Before you add yeast, 'beer' is called 'wort', the 'last runnings' are the last part of the wort you get from the 'mash-tun' where you add water to the grain to make your 'wort' - so you have already been told and shown a picture of how you can use 'wort' to make a 'starter' without using LDME. It is an infinitesimally small step to extend that concept to 'wort' that comes out of your kettle, or is taken from the 'fermentor' before you 'pitch' yeast.
So you've either read how to do this, and not understood it, maybe because of the brewing-terms used, because you have not even read the most basic book the subject,
Or you're actually trying to ask question #4 which is different again:
How do I harvest yeast from a previous batch of beer and use again in the next batch, by making a starter?
Which is answered, in more pictures in
this thread, which is likely you'd not have found because without knowing the correct brewing terms for it, you'd not be able to find.
Asked for the recipe to "re-culture yeast from taking a bit of brew from the barrel"
There is no answer to that question, and there is no recipe, because that question is not logical and it does not make sense.
(
You are asking the equivalent of how to start a car by pouring petrol into the radiator - something that is logical to most anyone who has an even basic understand of the concept of how a car works would not do.)
Either you are asking how to use your wort (unfermented beer) to make a starter to grow yeast from a packet
(which is was already answered for you, and is the most logical question you are asking since the topic of this thread is "Yeast Starter")
or
you are asking how to repitch yeast from your previous batch of beer.
(which is a totally different question, but answered on the link provided just above)
You're comparing something you grow up learning with something I'm only just learning now. That's like saying everybody knows how to drive manual "it's common sense". No. It's something that's taught, something that not everybody knows, and something that not everybody gets a handle on straight away.
Once again, what may be obvious to YOU is not always obvious to somebody else. This is the point *I* have been trying to make, did you read that?
And thankyou OH so kindly for answering my question. It's so talented of you to be able to do it at the same time as firing a trebuchet load of **** at me.
Driving a manual-car is not the analogy I used, driving on the correct side of the road was, and yes that is something that most pre-school children learn by osmosis and not direct learning.
In regard to brewing beer, my grandfather made home-brew (which I never saw or was allowed to drink) but my father did not, I had no experience, knowledge or understanding of home-brewing until I was given a free Coopers-kit and found these forums. The first batch of beer I just made - 1 month after my forum join date - was made with dry yeast (something I have suggested multiple times you do also), the second - one month later - after reading a few books and these forums was with recultured coopers yeast and a starter. I've also made more than a few stupid, uneducated and idiotic posts here, that I don't even want to go back and re-read.
Seems that way to me, but if you read How to Brew at least you will know what terms to use and what questions to ask next time you have a question.
If you refuse to do some learning of your own, continue to be stupid (post in red text, don't read/undrstand what forum members suggest, including that this forum is NOT a beginners brewing forum, and ignore what is sensible advice to most forum members), then you'll continue to be a troll (or just plain stupid and so trolling is a much nicer thing to be).
Here's an excerpt from your first response to my question.
I don't think I can make my 'Yeast Starter' instructions (you posted in that thread yesterday so I have to presume you actually read it), if you don't understand it (there was no maths in it that you can't do with your fingers) then skip it.
And with such helpful, friendly and positively intended advice such as that, you have the actual nerve to accuse ME of being a troll.
Yep. That's viable.
I stand totally 100% behind that comment, it is not inflammatory, derogatory or trolling, it is totally genuine legitimate helpful and very good advice for a new brewer.
Especially since that quote was preceeded with this one:
All grain brewing does not have to involve liquid yeasts or yeast starters.
Just as kit or kit-and-kilo brewing does not have to involve dry-yeast-sachets
And soon after when you explained how new you were, I said essentially this:
Starters are a complicated thing that you do not need to make good beer - many good home brewers do not use starters, and they find it a complex subject.
Liquid yeast (and hence starters) are much more difficult than using dry yeast - many good home brewers do not use liquid yeast.
Dry yeast can produce great home brewed beer, when using dry yeast you do not need all the complexity of making a starter, or even having to understand or think about it.
Hence:
If you don't understand it then skip it making or even understanding how to make a starter, the starter process, is not something you need to know, learn or do to make good home brewed beer. Give up on the trolling, grab some dry yeast, make a few batches of beer, read some books, understand the basic concepts and then, if you think you want or need to, experiment with liquid yeast, and then consider making a starter (for many people this is a process that takes years if it ever happens).
You have just jumped into the deep-end of the brewing swimming pool without even the concept of how to float, let alone swim. Rather than flail your arms and legs around drowning (which can actually look quite stupid when it's really a serious thing), take a step back to the shallow-end of the pool. Dip your toes safely into brewing pool and don't over-complicate the process, because at that end the water only comes up to your knees (the analogy here is using dry yeast) so you don't need to know how to float (the analogy here is liquid yeast) or swim in water over your head (obviously the analogy here is making a starter) to have a fun and relaxing time (and to make decent beer).
