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Ducatiboy stu said:
Lots of HBS do and know SFA about the product

Dont always assume they do.

And dont whinge when they dont know everything about every product.

It may be a special interest to US, but the retailer may not give two squirts of rocking horse ****. He is out to sell a product and make a few $$

Sure, if you dont like the retailer, dont buy from him. But dont automatically think that the person behind the counter will know everything.

Even the stores who are " Specialist" dont know everything and even give the wrong advice

Caveat Emptor.
You've quoted me, so I'm guessing you're addressing me.

I didn't say at any point that all HBS employees know everything about homebrewing. Didn't say that at all.
What I did say is that they should know the basics of what they're selling. If they don't, then I think that's a poor retailer, and I personally would steer clear.
 
My point is that the retailer may not know everything about the product, and may not care, and as a customer you need to take that into account

Yes the guy who really does know his **** will be the one to buy from

And in all honesty, when most of us walk into a HBS we pretty much don't know what we want. )

Automatically expecting the retailer/seller to be a font of knowledge is the correct attitude...
 
Spiesy said:
You've quoted me, so I'm guessing you're addressing me.

I didn't say at any point that all HBS employees know everything about homebrewing. Didn't say that at all.
What I did say is that they should know the basics of what they're selling. If they don't, then I think that's a poor retailer, and I personally would steer clear.

Ducatiboy stu said:
My point is that the retailer may not know everything about the product, and may not care, and as a customer you need to take that into account

But you cant expect every retailer to be like that

You just wouldnt walk in and plonk a few hundred on the counter and just say " Sell me something that makes beer" without have a small idea of what you are after. ( unless it was a..... )

Automatically expecting the retailer/seller to be a font of knowledge is the wrong attitude...
So, Spiesy,

You have now realised you won't win that one... :p
 
I understand the anger the OP being upset at the brew shop not knowing about the AA of the hops that their selling but there must be something said about them only wanting tstgo there when they need something at a pinch. Businesses can't stock everything for everyone's convenience especially if they buy all their other ingredients online. Most brew shops need to get out of the dark ages and get with the times but that isn't going to happen without the support of their locals. The internet will eventually kill all brew shops and when that happens where will everyone go when they need something in a hurry.
 
dunno if i were dealing with anthony or ross (way back in this thread) which is what probably triggered antiphile's post. although mine for different reasons. anyway, maybe a bit of customer relations feedback (even if brutal) still ain't a bad thing. and like i said in my post, the staff (all 3 or so guys and the girl at the front) are all really good with the customers. so thumbs up for the hired hands.
me in small business - i don't usually do discounts for the reasons others have mentioned above - my profit is what i put on the table for my family, and you want me to feed you too?? people on wages don't lose part of their pay cos their boss (or customer in our case) decides to do a deal. nothing wrong with trying, but like south korea, switzerland and japan, this ain't really a haggling business culture. as opposed to spain, malaysia or thailand where everything has a reserve price.

let's all go and hug a big tree :)
 
Ducatiboy stu said:
My point is that the retailer may not know everything about the product, and may not care, and as a customer you need to take that into account

Yes the guy who really does know his **** will be the one to buy from

And in all honesty, when most of us walk into a HBS we pretty much don't know what we want. )

Automatically expecting the retailer/seller to be a font of knowledge is the correct attitude...
totally agree Stu
 
I think everyone seems to have missed the boat on the part of Anti's post where he said he jokingly said, "Let's call it $200." Obviously it wasn't picked up on by the store staff either... :ph34r:
 
I worked for many years for Allens Sweets then Rothmans as a sales rep, back in the days when such a job existed, and my customer base was a mixture of hotels, garages, corner stores, cafes, newsagents, IGAs etc etc.
Many hundreds and hundreds over the years and I developed a fair knowledge of the different flavours of small business operators.

One pattern that I'm sure many sales reps would confirm is that the majority of small businesses are started by somebody who is passionate about their offering then, when the time comes to sell the business and move on it tends to be picked up by someone who is buying themselves a job. More often than not, the new owner had been made redundant and is using the payout to fund their semi retirement in their own business. At the risk of sounding nasty, a fair subset of these people buy into their own business because, basically, they are unemployable, egotistical arseholes and wouldn't hold a job in the real world of employment. Now it could be argued that's a good quality for a small businessman. I'd agree, but it would need to be tempered with a strong desire to adapt, learn and learn more. Often these owners have locked up the learning centre and thrown the key away.

Great example was Hervey Bay, one of my areas in the 1990s. At a shopping centre if you ducked behind to the small business owners' parking area it would be a collection of Saab, Mercedes, the odd Porsche, all leased for tax minimisation and to demonstrate to family and neighbours that they were now important people. The owner would likely be on the beach or at golf, enjoying the seaside lifestyle they had bought themselves, leaving an assistant, or the Mrs, in charge of the shop. Or in the case of one snack bar owner at Pialba standing behind the counter ranting to anyone who would listed how the Slopes and Japs were ruining Australia. Their only trade knowledge was often just a quick intro by the previous owner on his way out. When the business failed after about 18 months loud would be the wailing and the blaming of Woolies, McDonalds whoever.

Probably changed a bit since then but as far as I'm aware the current successful home brew businesses were started and are run by passionate operators, or were transferred to equally passionate buyers as in the case of Brewman.

edit: to be fair: one thing that has changed since the 90s is that many people going into small business now do so via a franchise. Great examples are Country Brewer, Cartridge World and even good old McDonalds.
If you walk into one of these stores they operate along pretty reliable "corporate" lines and to retain the franchise they have to offer set levels of service and quality. This I'm sure has weeded out a lot of slack operators, as we are seeing in LHBS (Brewers Choice stores in Brisbane are another fair example, all their stores I visited seemed to have an enthusiastic manager or owner).
 
Rocker1986 said:
I think everyone seems to have missed the boat on the part of Anti's post where he said he jokingly said, "Let's call it $200." Obviously it wasn't picked up on by the store staff either... :ph34r:
Cheekily more like. Bet he wouldn't have refused if they said ok.

Sometimes you have to try it on but you've got to accept it may not fit.
 
antiphile said:
It'd be funny if it weren't true, SJW. There are only 2 that I know of around Newcastle itself now; one at Charlestown and one at Islington. And the really depressing thing is, that tale of woe could well apply to either of them. :(
i noticed today that the charlestown LHBS/essence store is gooooooooooneeeeee.

made my first AG order with brewman today, soooo stoked with the service.
 
I heard that store was closing for some time.

Glad you like the service lost at sea.
Cheers Steve
 
Brewman_ said:
I heard that store was closing for some time.

Glad you like the service lost at sea.
Cheers Steve
no dramas, i couldnt believe how prompt the delivery was, gotta be quick to beat you home!
its my first AG, so just made up a cascade smash as a test flight brew. i ordered medium cracked for BIAB, what do you recommend next time? med, or fine?
 
Hey lost at sea,
For BIAB, go for fine. 1.2mm or 0.9mm. Maybe start at 1.2mm I think you will find that works well. Just update your details with that so it defaults to that crack on your next order.

Cheers Steve
 
I have family who work in a home brew supply shop.They make more money off spirits than beer and unfortunately beer brewers will always go for the
cheapest option. I have a theory that it's because our other half in general control the money. What ever the reason , i think blokes have to say this
is my hobby not just a way of making cheap piss. The thing is if you get rid of the small guy the big players like coles and woolies will fill the gap.
I know there isn't much of a margin in home brew. I think it's sad small businesses go broke in this industry.
 
Brewman_ said:
Hey lost at sea,
For BIAB, go for fine. 1.2mm or 0.9mm. Maybe start at 1.2mm I think you will find that works well. Just update your details with that so it defaults to that crack on your next order.

Cheers Steve
thanks again mate, will update for my next order!

brewbuilder is nice and easy for to use.
 
Well now, this came to a mate with a prepackaged kit recipe from a branch of a franchised LHBS
When he questioned the quality of repackaged yeast he got no real response and was told to contact the head office
So he called and the so-called-expert at head office said not to worry as there is enough yeast to do 2 brews as you only need 5 grams for a good ferment
So I assume this is some new super stain of US-05...a real bargain at $6.00 per packet of 10 grams



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No wonder places go broke
 
When buying a shop would suggest that the previous owner may try to cook the books look how well **** Smith was going and not unknown to pay tax on phantom profits and do discount sales or do a 711 and rip the workers off.If the new owner of a shop worked for a large corporation or government probably do not realise that if things go bad that its there own money and that expensive car is only a tax deduction if they make a profit and working extra hours does not mean more income.
 
Coalminer said:
Well now, this came to a mate with a prepackaged kit recipe from a branch of a franchised LHBS
When he questioned the quality of repackaged yeast he got no real response and was told to contact the head office
So he called and the so-called-expert at head office said not to worry as there is enough yeast to do 2 brews as you only need 5 grams for a good ferment
So I assume this is some new super stain of US-05...a real bargain at $6.00 per packet of 10 grams



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No wonder places go broke
I think thats a pretty standard re-packaging of 10 g safale (for country brewer if I had to guess)
 
lost at sea said:
i noticed today that the charlestown LHBS/essence store is gooooooooooneeeeee.

made my first AG order with brewman today, soooo stoked with the service.
Theres no surprise
The shop was a pig stye, neither he or his wife could of given a shade of **** about customer service, and don't get me started about the storage and quality of brew ingredients. I nearly died laughing when he posted a massive rant on his website blaming his suppliers for the closure of his business.

That aside, your in great hands with steve at brewman. You won't find better service anywhere else
 

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