Sub For Simcoe?

[NeilArge]

G'day all,

Is there such a thing? From what I have read, there isn't any real sub for Simcoe - it's just too unique in aroma and flavour. Is this true? If you had a recipe with it in, and there was no way you could get them in easily (desert island scenario, I know) what would try and use instead?

Sorry for all the bl**dy questions

ToG

 

[sinkas]

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[glaab]

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big help

 

[Ross]

Galaxy would probably be the closest - But as you said already, there isn't really a substitute.

Cheers Ross

 

[dj1984]

Galaxy would probably be the closest - But as you said already, there isn't really a substitute.

Cheers Ross

I did not rate galaxy much, i dont know what it was about it :unsure: .

 

[NeilArge]

Galaxy would probably be the closest - But as you said already, there isn't really a substitute.

Cheers Ross

Thanks Ross. Looks like I'll be calling in again after the Gabba Test for the genuine article!

Cheers 'til then,

ToG

 

[Kai]

Galaxy would be a poor substitute imho. It doesn't have the dimension or bittering quality of simcoe.

Simcoe to me has a moderate strong pine undertone, nice flavour of mandarin and sometimes a rockmelon character (especially during fermentation). I think the best place to start for a substitute would be a blend of chinook (pine and citrus characters) and challenger (orange marmalade).

 

[sinkas]

big help

listen ******* he failed to let us know what he had available to sub, its not a hop thats really easily subbed, and its available at the friggin' link,

 

[NeilArge]

Galaxy would be a poor substitute imho. It doesn't have the dimension or bittering quality of simcoe.

Simcoe to me has a moderate strong pine undertone, nice flavour of mandarin and sometimes a rockmelon character (especially during fermentation). I think the best place to start for a substitute would be a blend of chinook (pine and citrus characters) and challenger (orange marmalade).

Thanks Kai. I do have some Challenger and Chinook on hand so will give that a shot. But I'll pick up some Simcoe to keep in the freezer JIC.

Cheers

ToG

 

[manticle]

listen ******* he failed to let us know what he had available to sub, its not a hop thats really easily subbed, and its available at the friggin' link,

He might have just been curious, as opposed to desperately trying to sub something for a brew boiling away as he posted.

 

[glaab]

listen ******* he failed to let us know what he had available to sub, its not a hop thats really easily subbed, and its available at the friggin' link,

the link says "none known", and the question wasn't where can I get it, tool

 

[NeilArge]

He might have just been curious, as opposed to desperately trying to sub something for a brew boiling away as he posted.

Spot on, manticle. I'm making an APA tomorrow and came across a lovely recipe that had Simcoe in it but there are so many variations on this theme I'll just do one like this:

Recipe: Anaiwan Pale Ale
Brewer: Neil
Asst Brewer:
Style: American Pale Ale
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (35.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 22.00 L
Boil Size: 26.49 L
Estimated OG: 1.067 SG
Estimated Color: 20.2 EBC
Estimated IBU: 33.6 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 80.00 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
5.50 kg Pale Malt (2 Row) UK (5.9 EBC) Grain 89.43 %
0.45 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (118.2 EBC) Grain 7.32 %
0.20 kg Wheat Malt, Ger (3.9 EBC) Grain 3.25 %
14.00 gm Magnum [14.00 %] (60 min) Hops 19.5 IBU
14.00 gm Pearle [8.00 %] (30 min) Hops 8.6 IBU
28.30 gm Cascade [5.50 %] (10 min) Hops 5.6 IBU
56.00 gm Cascade [5.50 %] (0 min) Hops -
1 Pkgs American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056) Yeast-Ale


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 6.15 kg
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Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch Sparge
Step Time Name Description Step Temp
75 min Mash In Add 18.45 L of water at 71.1 C 65.6 C

I didn't mean to cause a fuss :unsure:

Cheers

ToG

 

[sam]

og 1067 don't look like an apa. and with those ibus, not really an ipa either. can't go wrong with cascade though.

 

[NeilArge]

og 1067 don't look like an apa. and with those ibus, not really an ipa either. can't go wrong with cascade though.

Well spotted Sam. I realised once I'd posted the recipe up that it was light on with the hopping, and a tad high on OG. I've upped the Magnum and pulled the base malt back a bit.

Cheers

ToG

 

[Nick JD]

1 Simcoe = 1/3 Nelson Sauvin + 2/3 Southern Cross.