Skunk Fart Ale

[Jye]

After reading this thread it looks like a SFPA will be my next (second) AG. Just wanted to run it buy you guys since I have replaced the caramunich with crystal because the local HBS doesn't have any. I think I may have too much in the recipe?

Cheers

Type: All Grain
Batch Size: 23.00 L
Brewer: Jye
Boil Size: 30.54 L
Boil Time: 60 min Equipment: My Equipment
Brewhouse Efficiency: 65.0

Ingredients

Amount Item Type % or IBU
5.00 kg Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 79.9 %
0.45 kg Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 7.2 %
0.45 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 7.2 %
0.23 kg Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 3.6 %
0.13 kg Wheat Malt, Ger (2.0 SRM) Grain 2.1 %
14.00 gm Chinook [13.00%] (60 min) Hops 19.9 IBU
14.00 gm Cascade [5.50%] (60 min) Hops 8.4 IBU
14.00 gm Cascade [5.50%] (15 min) Hops 4.2 IBU
28.30 gm Cascade [5.50%] (5 min) Hops 3.4 IBU
14.00 gm Cascade [5.50%] (10 min) Hops 3.1 IBU
28.30 gm Cascade [5.50%] (1 min) Hops 0.7 IBU
1 Pkgs American Ale II (Wyeast Labs #1272) Yeast-Ale

Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.053 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.013 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 5.2 %
Bitterness: 39.7 IBU Calories: 90 cal/l
Est Color: 7.9 SRM Color: Color


Mash Profile

Total Grain Weight: 6.25 kg
Sparge Water: 19.04 L
Sparge Temperature: 75.6 C

Mash In Add 18.76 L of water at 71.5 C 66.0 C 90 min
Step Decoct 8.06 L of mash and boil it 78.0 C 10 min

 

[JasonY]

Jye, personally I think that is too much crystal. You have 450g carapils and 450g of crystal, I would drop it to 150g of carapils & 100g of crystal. I tend to not go too heavy on the crystal malts as the WY1272 has a fruity falvour and I find too much crystal in this is a bit sweet.

Tis an excellent brew this one however and will be very drinkable which ever way you go.

 

[Jye]

Cheers JasonY, Is the drop it carapils to compensate for the crystal replacing the caramuinich?

I have so much to learn about grain and every detail helps

Jye

 

[jayse]

hello brewers,
caramunich i use is weyerman caramunich II which is 120 ebc. My fav alternative is thomas fawcetts crystal which is also around 120ebc, caramunich is crystal malt its just a brand name really.
anyway as jasony said 450g is to much, you can completely drop the carapils if you like and use around 250 g of a medium crystal malt of choice.
carapils is good for a really good solidified head but not really needed.
you had US two row as the base malt, i pressume you don't have the specs for the malt you have, JWM trad ale works a treat and for a lighter version the JWM pils malt works very well.

good luck and have fun brewing and drinking this fine drop.

The rover
jayse

 

[Jye]

you had US two row as the base malt, i pressume you don't have the specs for the malt you have

Thanks jayse, not sure of the specs, last time I was at the HBS I just asked for a list of the grains they have.

Maris Otter, traditional ale, pilsner, crystal (100-120 ebc), etc etc. I was just going to go with the trad ale :huh:

Anyway here is the latest bill for the weekend.

5.00 kg Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 89.2 %
0.25 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (45.0 SRM) Grain 4.5 %
0.23 kg Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 4.0 %
0.13 kg Wheat Malt, Ger (2.0 SRM) Grain 2.3 %
14.00 gm Chinook [13.00%] (60 min) Hops 20.6 IBU
14.00 gm Cascade [5.50%] (60 min) Hops 8.7 IBU
14.00 gm Cascade [5.50%] (15 min) Hops 4.3 IBU
28.30 gm Cascade [5.50%] (5 min) Hops 3.5 IBU
14.00 gm Cascade [5.50%] (10 min) Hops 3.2 IBU
28.30 gm Cascade [5.50%] (1 min) Hops 0.8 IBU
1 Pkgs American Ale II (Wyeast Labs #1272) Yeast-Ale

 

[Aaron]

Thought it was about time the Skunk Fart Ale thread raised itś head again.

I was just looking it up to see peoples flavour/aroma hop rates for cascade. I am making a APA this public holiday Monday so thought this thread was the place to come to. I have made APAs in the past but allways used amarillo for them. Im still using amarillo and maybe some simcoe to bitter then Im going to flavour/aroma.

Lots of good info in this thread.

 

[voota]

I made an APA (similar to skunk fart) yesterday, along with a christmas ale. In the APA, i used Chinook for bittering and 50/50 cascade/Amarillo for flavour and aroma (mainly cos' i'm out of cascade). I agree Amarillo is a nice hop for APA's, Mildura Brewery brews a strong APA with it, and it is fantastic.

 

[jayse]

Just finished making a full on version I have labelled 'bigd's visit skunkfart'. Being brewed specially for the harley rider from the north. Its a little bit over the top compared to the ussuall at the high end of the colour range and higher than normal bitterness and gravity.
For a bit extra aswell I mixed up the hops between two different lots of cascade which are both quite different and some amirillo with a third each pretty much all the way through and lots of them. Using some NB at the start for even more depth.
I think it needs a bit of the I guess you could call it mouth puckering cascade affect to be how this beer was intended which i don't think you can get with amirillo on its own.
I have found the standard version is pretty close to the LCPA on tap at the wheaty but sometimes i find the LCPA in the bottles has some extra depth.
This doesn't line up with what most people have said who have tasted it from the brewery, ie the beer there shits all over the bottled version.
Anyway while iam at it i might ask the question whats everyone else doing for there APAs' now?
Iam pretty much still doing similar to all the recipes here and nothing out of the ordinary. Do make batches with only hlaf the finishing hops sometimes, make lighter ones and darker ones but all in all nothing out of left field.

I'll post some of the exact detials if anyones interested but iam sure you all get the idea.
Please post some more input if you have it.

Bring it on home
Jayse

 

[Aaron]

My APA have been mostly munich malt with a little wheat. I know this is waaaay out of style but it seems to work. Also I have used only Amarillo in them, which I like.

Have decided to try dropping back the munich and adding some cascade to it. I want to get that sharper flavour that cascade gives and reduce the malt sweetness from the munich a little. Still sticking to the 1318 yeast.

Just playing around with how much of the finishing hops to use.

 

[Bilph]

I added 2.5% smoked malt to my "Texas Smoked APA" to get a "Barbeque beer". OG 1060, Chinook bittering (35IBU) and Cascade flavour and aroma, Wyeast 1056. It's only just been racked to secondary and early signs were that it was bit harsh, but it's mellowed quite a bit already.
Anyone else done a Rauch APA?

 

[Kai]

From the smoked malt I've used, bilph, 2.5% is not much at all. I expect that it would provide a very mild background smokiness in an apa. Sounds like an interesting beer.

 

[Doc]

Here is my Bastardized version of Jayse's Skunk Fart and cj_in_j's HourGlassIPA that has been keeping my palette happy.
Even though the Cask Ale Yeast is listed in this one, I'll be using WLP005 English Ale from now on. It really brings out the hoppy nature of the brew more.

Beers,
Doc

Doc's Hourglass IPA III

A ProMash Recipe Report

BJCP Style and Style Guidelines
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06-A American Pale Ales, American Pale Ale

Min OG: 1.045 Max OG: 1.056
Min IBU: 20 Max IBU: 40
Min Clr: 8 Max Clr: 22 Color in EBC

Recipe Specifics
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Batch Size (L): 40.00 Wort Size (L): 40.00
Total Grain (kg): 9.25
Anticipated OG: 1.058 Plato: 14.30
Anticipated EBC: 24.5
Anticipated IBU: 58.4
Brewhouse Efficiency: 80 %
Wort Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Pre-Boil Amounts
----------------

Evaporation Rate: 10.00 Percent Per Hour
Pre-Boil Wort Size: 47.06 L
Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.049 SG 12.24 Plato

Formulas Used
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Brewhouse Efficiency and Predicted Gravity based on Method #1, Potential Used.
Final Gravity Calculation Based on Points.
Hard Value of Sucrose applied. Value for recipe: 46.2100 ppppg
Yield Type used in Gravity Prediction: Fine Grind Dry Basis.

Color Formula Used: Morey
Hop IBU Formula Used: Rager

Additional Utilization Used For Plug Hops: 2 %
Additional Utilization Used For Pellet Hops: 10 %


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential EBC
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
77.8 7.20 kg. JWM Traditional Ale Malt Australia 1.038 7
5.0 0.46 kg. JWM Light Munich Australia 1.038 20
4.3 0.40 kg. Weyermann CaraWheat Germany 1.037 120
3.7 0.34 kg. TF Crystal Rye UK 1.031 210
3.2 0.30 kg. Weyermann Melanoidin Germany 1.037 70
2.5 0.23 kg. JWM Wheat Malt Australia 1.040 4
1.7 0.16 kg. JWM Caramalt Australia 1.036 56
1.7 0.16 kg. Hoepfner Caramel Malt Pils Germany 1.036 3

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
22.00 g. Northern Brewer Pellet 10.00 19.1 90 min.
20.00 g. Cascade Pellet 5.40 7.6 45 min.
10.00 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 7.10 5.0 45 min.
20.00 g. Cascade Pellet 5.40 4.4 30 min.
10.00 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 7.10 2.9 30 min.
20.00 g. Cascade Pellet 5.40 3.4 25 min.
10.00 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 7.10 2.3 25 min.
20.00 g. Cascade Pellet 5.40 2.9 20 min.
10.00 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 7.10 1.9 20 min.
20.00 g. Cascade Pellet 5.40 2.3 15 min.
10.00 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 7.10 1.5 15 min.
20.00 g. Cascade Pellet 5.40 1.7 10 min.
10.00 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 7.10 1.1 10 min.
20.00 g. Cascade Pellet 5.40 1.4 5 min.
10.00 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 7.10 0.9 5 min.


Extras

Amount Name Type Time
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
1.35 Tsp Irish Moss Fining 15 Min.(boil)


Yeast
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WYeast 1026 British Cask Ale


Mash Schedule
-------------

Mash Type: Single Step

Grain kg: 9.25
Water Qts: 29.58 - Before Additional Infusions
Water L: 27.99 - Before Additional Infusions

L Water Per kg Grain: 3.03 - Before Additional Infusions

Saccharification Rest Temp : 67 Time: 90
Mash-out Rest Temp : 72 Time: 10
Sparge Temp : 80 Time: 60


Total Mash Volume L: 34.17 - Dough-In Infusion Only

All temperature measurements are degrees Celsius.

Notes
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This time using Northern Brewer for the bittering over Simcoe last time. Th
e first version was a great beer but there was a grapefruit taste to it. No
t unpleastant but trying to avoid it this time. Also using WLP051 this time
after using WLP001 on version 1.

 

[Bilph]

From the smoked malt I've used, bilph, 2.5% is not much at all. I expect that it would provide a very mild background smokiness in an apa. Sounds like an interesting beer.

[post="80239"][/post]​

I didn't want to ruin a perfectly good brew by overdoing it, but the way it's already become quite drinkable, I think you're right, maybe too subtle.
I'll probably step it up a bit next time, assuming it stays tasty after bottling.

 

[JasonY]

The ones I have been doing of late are lighter in color, about 1.052 and not insanly hopped usually NB bittering and then about 4 plugs in the last 15 mins. Always a tasty staple brew! When I run out of my current lot of WY1272 I am going to get some 1056 and give that a shot for some drier brews.

 

[Kai]

From the smoked malt I've used, bilph, 2.5% is not much at all. I expect that it would provide a very mild background smokiness in an apa. Sounds like an interesting beer.

[post="80239"][/post]​

I didn't want to ruin a perfectly good brew by overdoing it, but the way it's already become quite drinkable, I think you're right, maybe too subtle.
I'll probably step it up a bit next time, assuming it stays tasty after bottling.

[post="80242"][/post]​

Better too little than too much, too little and you're still left with a great APA.

 

[jayse]

Thats the way doc a list of malts and hops as long as my love truncheon.
By the way whats with per pound per gallon you goose L/kg is how we do it here h34r:

I agree there bilph 2.5% smoked in a 1.060 i don't think you'll hardly pick.

Aaron if you using mostly munich you need to mash extra low and it should end up pretty malty but not sweet.

Jasony for the most of the ones i have done lately i have been the same and tamed them a little, its great to make a full on one again though after a few batches of friend friendly batches.


Remove all the wheel blocks
Jayse

 

[Tony]

My last APA used Plae Malt, FLaked Maize, Caramalt and Melanoiden with a bit od roasted wheat for colour.

1.048 and 45 IBU with cascade and GT's home grown cluster hops.

Brewed wit h WLP001

Oh man its nice

its hopped basicly the same as jayse,s just less hops.

no dry hops just flameout.............

its gassing up now.

will give it another week and crack a bottle

will let you all know

cheers

tony

 

[shmick]

My last all Amarillo APA went something like:

5.00 kg Pale Malt, Traditional Ale (Joe White) (5.9 EBC) Grain 89.3 %
0.50 kg Wheat Malt, Malt Craft (Joe White) (3.5 EBC) Grain 8.9 %
0.10 kg Crystal (Joe White) (141.8 EBC) Grain 1.8 %
15.00 gm Amarillo Gold [9.00%] (60 min) Hops 15.4 IBU
15.00 gm Amarillo Gold [9.00%] (30 min) Hops 11.8 IBU
10.00 gm Amarillo Gold [9.00%] (10 min) Hops 3.7 IBU
10.00 gm Amarillo Gold [9.00%] (5 min) Hops 2.0 IBU
10.00 gm Amarillo Gold [9.00%] (0 min) Hops -
0.50 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 10.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs American Ale (DCL #US-56) Yeast-Ale

23litre, OG 1.052, FG 1.012, IBU 33

It was very floral - like drinking perfume. Bitterness wasn't up to the flavour/aroma so I thought it lacked 'punch'.
Next time I'd up the 60 min bittering to 25-30g and drop the crystal. Either that or bitter with Chinook (or something) for added depth.

 

[RobW]

My last all Amarillo APA went something like:

5.00 kg Pale Malt, Traditional Ale (Joe White) (5.9 EBC) Grain 89.3 %
0.50 kg Wheat Malt, Malt Craft (Joe White) (3.5 EBC) Grain 8.9 %
0.10 kg Crystal (Joe White) (141.8 EBC) Grain 1.8 %
15.00 gm Amarillo Gold [9.00%] (60 min) Hops 15.4 IBU
15.00 gm Amarillo Gold [9.00%] (30 min) Hops 11.8 IBU
10.00 gm Amarillo Gold [9.00%] (10 min) Hops 3.7 IBU
10.00 gm Amarillo Gold [9.00%] (5 min) Hops 2.0 IBU
10.00 gm Amarillo Gold [9.00%] (0 min) Hops -
0.50 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 10.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs American Ale (DCL #US-56) Yeast-Ale

23litre, OG 1.052, FG 1.012, IBU 33

It was very floral - like drinking perfume. Bitterness wasn't up to the flavour/aroma so I thought it lacked 'punch'.
Next time I'd up the 60 min bittering to 25-30g and drop the crystal. Either that or bitter with Chinook (or something) for added depth.

[post="80284"][/post]​

I've just done 2 APAs with similiar grain bills to the above (except using Powells and some Carapils) the only difference being the first used Amarillo & the second was Cascade - both hopped (FWH, 30, 15, 5 & 0) to about 45 IBU. Can't compare yet because the Cascade is still in secondary but the Amarillo is drinking nicely - fairly smooth rounded bitterness although could use a little more oomph like Schmick's, so I'll bump it up a bit more next time.

 

[Ross]

Only been in the keg 3 days - bloody awersome already... IBU's seem much higher, but as I left all hops in for the steeping I think the late additions continued to add bitterness...

Arrogant Pom APA

Type: All Grain
Date: 11/09/2005
Batch Size: 26.00 L
Brewer: Ross
Boil Size: 37.72 L
Boil Time: 90 min
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.0
Mash: 67c 90 mins

Ingredients

Amount Item Type % or IBU
2.50 kg Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 42.7 %
1.50 kg Pilsner (2 Row) Ger (2.0 SRM) Grain 25.6 %
1.00 kg Pale Malt, Traditional Ale (Joe White) (3.0 SRM) Grain 17.1 %
0.50 kg Munich, Dark (Joe White) (15.0 SRM) Grain 8.5 %
0.20 kg Caramunich Malt (56.0 SRM) Grain 3.4 %
0.15 kg English crystal (72.0 SRM) Grain 2.6 %
15.00 gm Simcoe [13.60%] (25 min) Hops 14.2 IBU
26.00 gm Cascade [4.50%] (25 min) Hops 7.5 IBU
13.00 gm Amarillo Gold [8.50%] (20 min) Hops 6.7 IBU
13.00 gm Simcoe [13.60%] (90 min) (Mash Hop) Hops 3.8 IBU
13.00 gm Cascade [4.50%] (20 min) Hops 3.5 IBU
13.00 gm Amarillo Gold [8.50%] (90 min) (Mash Hop) Hops 2.4 IBU
8.00 gm Amarillo Gold [8.50%] (Dry Hop 3 days) Hops -
10.00 gm Simcoe [13.60%] (20 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
12.00 gm Simcoe [13.60%] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
13.00 gm Cascade [5.50%] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
25.00 gm Amarillo Gold [8.50%] (20 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
25.00 gm Horizon [12.00%] (20 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
1.00 tsp Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) (Mash 90.0 min) Misc
1.00 tsp Table Salt (Boil 90.0 min) Misc
5.00 gm Irish Moss (Boil 10.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056) Yeast-Ale

Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.053 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.013 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 5.2 %
Bitterness: 38.0 IBU Calories: 448 cal/l
Est Color: 9.0 SRM Color: Color