Preventing oxidation?

[manticle]

Ron Pattinson is not from the US.

The concept of high hopped, high alc certainly has been carried by US oriented 'opinion' including bjcp.

 

[wynnum1]

Victorian times, water, in many areas, was unsafe to drink. Beer, in the weaker brews of the times, did not carry the same pathogens

 

[Lyrebird_Cycles]

The "porous wooden barrels" were all pitch lined, as was the case with all (or almost all) beer barrels at the time.

Plus barrels aren't porous anyway, they are permeable.

 

[MHB]

Wood is porous, perhaps also permeable.
Certainly known to supply plenty of hard to sanitise little homes for bugs, being permeable they loose the CO2 out of the beer pretty quickly unless lined.
Too many years as a wine maker LC, throwing Met around with a wide mouth shovel....

 

[Lyrebird_Cycles]

Plus barrels aren't porous anyway, they are permeable.

Wood is porous, perhaps also permeable.

As stated, barrels are not porous. If they were, they would leak.

Wood is porous but this property is anisotropic. The cooper's art exploits this to make a non porous object from a porous material. That's part of the reason a decent barrel is well north of $1k.

 

[Moog]

BTW.....IPA is IndiA pale ale, Not IndiAN pale ale, Its a pale ale brewed FOR india, NOT brewed IN india (for the record)

 

[S.E]

Yep, numerous lines of amateur and academic research suggests that IPA was sold on GB prior to pale being exported to India.

What research have you seen that suggests IPA was sold in GB prior to it being exported to India?

That doesn’t make any sense to me. Does this research give any alternative reason why they would call it India Pale Ale if it had no connection to India?

I am yet to see any actual evidence based arguments that it comes from high-booze, high-hop beers being brewed to survive the passage to the colonies. Seems it’s just one of those assumptions that became ‘fact’ over time.

High hops and alcohol even back then were known to help preserve beer for long storage and export as pointed out by MHB above. It wasn’t a new idea.

For sure high hop and alcohol pale ales were common way before they became known as IPA.

 

[S.E]

Plus barrels aren't porous anyway, they are permeable.

Plus barrels aren't porous anyway, they are permeable.

Like I said that comment was just an afterthought that I jokingly slipped in to keep this on topic. I didn’t mean to throw the off topic off topic with talk of barrels.

If the IPA discussion continues perhaps one of the mods can change the title of the thread to include the history of IPA and even barrels if they see fit.

 

[manticle]

What research have you seen that suggests IPA was sold in GB prior to it being exported to India?

That doesn’t make any sense to me. Does this research give any alternative reason why they would call it India Pale Ale if it had no connection to India?


High hops and alcohol even back then were known to help preserve beer for long storage and export as pointed out by MHB above. It wasn’t a new idea.

For sure high hop and alcohol pale ales were common way before they became known as IPA.

The contention by people like Ron Pattinson (uk beer/historical researcher and blogger supported by brewing records is that beer exported to India as IPA was neither particularly strong, nor more well hopped than other beer styles of the time (such as porter) and in many instances less so.

Yes - probably heading towards a separate topic.

eg. http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com.au/2009/02/another-nail-in-that-ipa-myth.html?m=1
http://zythophile.co.uk/false-ale-q...vented-ipa-to-survive-the-long-trip-to-india/
http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com.au/2008/09/ipa-strong-beer.html?m=1

 

[S.E]

The contention by people like Ron Pattinson (uk beer/historical researcher and blogger supported by brewing records is that beer exported to India as IPA was neither particularly strong, nor more well hopped than other beer styles of the time (such as porter) and in many instances less so.

Yes - probably heading towards a separate topic.

eg. http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com.au/2009/02/another-nail-in-that-ipa-myth.html?m=1
http://zythophile.co.uk/false-ale-q...vented-ipa-to-survive-the-long-trip-to-india/
http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com.au/2008/09/ipa-strong-beer.html?m=1

Yes that’s what I said. For sure high hop and alcohol pale ales were common in the UK way before they became known as India Pale Ale.

High hops and alcohol even back then were known to help preserve beer so it was an obvious choice when they formulated their recipes to help withstand the long journey to India.

 

[SeeFar]

I’ll dig it up when I’m back home in a couple of days. If I recall the product was first brewed on the wharfs and it was the choice of the crews that sailed the India route (as in they enjoyed it when they were in the home port) and that’s likely where the name came from.

Another paper argued evidence of a beer called IPA being sold in England well before pale ales were exported to India.

So, who is going to come up with the EVIDENCE that it is named IPA because it was specifically made for export to India or some other variation of that story?

 

[S.E]

I’ll dig it up when I’m back home in a couple of days. If I recall the product was first brewed on the wharfs and it was the choice of the crews that sailed the India route (as in they enjoyed it when they were in the home port) and that’s likely where the name came from.

Another paper argued evidence of a beer called IPA being sold in England well before pale ales were exported to India.

So, who is going to come up with the EVIDENCE that it is named IPA because it was specifically made for export to India or some other variation of that story?

OK well this could be interesting, look forward to it.

 

[SeeFar]

Reckon I’ll do the righty and kick off a new thread when I’ve dug it up too!

 

[Garfield]

I feel bad for the fool who clicks on this thread to learn about preventing oxidation

 

[Danscraftbeer]

I feel bad for the fool who clicks on this thread to learn about preventing oxidation

I'm worried about the guy who started it. He probably ran away.

 

[Garfield]

Yeah He's just started a new post "does anyone know the real origin of IPA" but no doubt it will get high jacked by a bunch of overzealous oxidation prevention enthusiasts

 

[TheSumOfAllBeers]

Yeah He's just started a new post "does anyone know the real origin of IPA" but no doubt it will get high jacked by a bunch of overzealous oxidation prevention enthusiasts

Karma's a *****

 

[Doctormcbrewdle]

I'm worried about the guy who started it. He probably ran away.

Just trying to make sense of all this now. Wtf happened..?! laughs

You dude's are random