Por As A Substitute For Ekg?

[Rodolphe01]

I am going to make the oatmeal stout recipe from brewing classic styles, it calls for 51g of EKG, I happen to have 45g and don't really want to buy another bag of the stuff just for the extra 6 grams. I don't have an aversion to EKG, i'm just interested in playing with more ingredients etc and don't like what I happen to have in the freezer dictate what I make.

Anyway, the only hops I have on hand are POR, southern cross & galaxy - I figure POR would be the best to use as a sub? Or am I dead wrong and the couple of grams I use to add a few IBU will ruin the beer? I'm thinking it will hardly be noticeable, but keen for opinions.

Cheers

 

[manticle]

If you mean make up the remaining 9 g (or IBU equivalent which is probably 4g) with PoR then no I don't think you'd notice. As a whole bittering addition in a stout I don't think you'd notice. In an ESB or IPA with late or dry hopping then yes I think you would notice.

 

[Lecterfan]

For what it's worth I've used POR for bittering in a couple of stouts (weeeeell...one stout and one very dark ale - extract and AG respectively), then followed with some EKG at around 15mins and I thought it was lovely.

I've not used it for anything other than bittering, but I have no complaints thus far.


edit: I promise I'm not stalking you Manticle.

 

[kenlock]

Since, you haven't posted the recipe, I assume that it calls for both a bitter and flavour addition of EKG. If so, I'd suggest adding the bittering addition a few minutes earlier to get the required IBUs. Whack it in your brewing software and see how you go.

 

[Rodolphe01]

Yea it would be 5g of PoR in a single 60min addition (along with the EKG of course).

 

[Hatchy]

What difference in IBUs is the 6g going to make? I'd probably go with the EKG & leave the POR in the freezer.

 

[Bribie G]

If POR is the hop of Sheaf Stout then I'd put the EKG back in the freezer :icon_cheers:

 

[petesbrew]

Styrian Goldings, go get some styrian. Currenty halfway through a Double brewday with Styrian in each and the backyard smells heavenly.

 

[under]

Since, you haven't posted the recipe, I assume that it calls for both a bitter and flavour addition of EKG. If so, I'd suggest adding the bittering addition a few minutes earlier to get the required IBUs. Whack it in your brewing software and see how you go.

exactly my thoughts

 

[brettprevans]

ok so your trying to get IBU up without imparting too much flavour from whichever high %AA hop your sub in. why not use a ralatively nuertal bittering hop like magnum.

Hatchy - 6g of 14%AA hop will contribute a good whack of IBU if added @60. in fact promash recons its 14.56 IBUs

 

[Hatchy]

Where do you get EKG at 14%aa?

 

[brettprevans]

Where do you get EKG at 14%aa?

the posts above talk of using ~6g of POR. thats usually around 14%AA. I didnt think they wwere talking about using 6g of EKG earlier in the boil. if thats the case then yeah it would do sweet FA.

edit:

I took it from

Yea it would be 5g of PoR in a single 60min addition (along with the EKG of course).

 

[manticle]

the posts above talk of using ~6g of POR. thats usually around 14%AA. I didnt think they wwere talking about using 6g of EKG earlier in the boil. if thats the case then yeah it would do sweet FA.

edit:

I took it from

You're not thinking of super pride? PoR is usually around 8-10.

I think hatchy's original point was just to use the 45g and make a very slightly less bitter beer.

 

[brettprevans]

You're not thinking of super pride? PoR is usually around 8-10.

I think hatchy's original point was just to use the 45g and make a very slightly less bitter beer.

nah i was thining of POR. the POR i have is 11%. i was probably more thinking of magnum which i suggested using instead.

ok understand where hatchy is coming from, its just not what i focused on.

all good. agree that you either:
- decrease the hops to the amount you have
- increase boil length (ie 90min boil)
- sub some higher %AA hops into the boil early on (like POR if you want, or Syrian (styrian & EKG love each other) but a neutral hop like magnum would be
better)
- buy some more hops.

there is a recipe i was thining of doing that requires 250g of EKG @ 60min, then more later on. F*ck that. some magnum of styrian is going in to make up the IBU. now yes it will have an impact on EKG flavour intensity, but not noticably so IMO/

 

[Goofinder]

The BCS Oatmeal Stout recipe has only a single 60 minute addition of EKG to 36.1 IBU.

If you want to brew as per the recipe, you should just make your bittering hops add up to 36 IBU. I would start with using all the EKG, and depending on the AA% of your hops (BCS is using 5%) that may or may not be enough. Make up the rest with POR (or Southern Cross).

If you want something a bit more hop flavour, put in say 20g of EKG at 20 minutes, the rest at 60 and add POR to hit 36IBU.