Is it ok to let the mash temperature drop, i.e. from 69C to 63C, within lets say 1 hour, and expect results as if it has been mashed at 66C? Or do enzymes working in the lower range are dentaurated already at the higher one (~ 70deg?)
Because you started at 69C, 90% of the conversion will happen within the first 20 minutes, when it's probably dropped to about 67C. The next 20 minutes it'll be at 67-65C ... and another 5% of your conversion will have happened. You'll get a very "heavy body" beer starting at 69C.
the great majority of conversion occurs within the first 20-30 minutes
I find when i infuse up from my protein rest at 52 to the mash rest in the 60's (63 to 67 usually in my setup) the mash is sweet within 30 seconds from stiring in the infusion water.
Thirsty?
In which case you should be drinking, that's way past beer o'clock in Ireland... but what I am guessing Tony was referring to was directing the question to ThirstyBoy who uses a lot of commercial malt and knows about how large scale commercial breweries operate for some reason...Thanks guys! That answers the question better than enough.
Hell yeah :icon_drunk:Tony said:Thirsty
(it's 11am in Ireland...)
Basically, if you're mashing at 69C and are getting your base malt cheap - there's not much point leaving it in there for longer than about 20 minutes.
In which case you should be drinking, that's way past beer o'clock in Ireland...
but what I am guessing Tony was referring to was directing the question to ThirstyBoy who uses a lot of commercial malt and knows about how large scale commercial breweries operate for some reason...
Mashing high and long is done a lot with some English and some belgian beers so it's not completely baseless.
What are you using for a mash tun ?
Mashing high and long is done a lot with some English and some belgian beers so it's not completely baseless.
Sort of like a step mash, but stepping backwards? Braden You'll cream them on Sunday :beerbang:
From a practical homebrew point of view this probably means don't worry too much, sure a wort mashed at 69C may produce a maltier beer than one at 63C, but choice of grain bill, yeast, fermentation conditions, time and temperature in particular will have a far greater impact.
I suggest that an identical EBC and IBU beer mashed 60 minutes at 69C using Galaxy, light crystal and US-05 will not be as malty as a beer mashed 60 minutes at 63C using Munich 1, Melanoidan and say a WLP830 Oktoberfest.
K
In order for the amalyse enzymes (beta or alpha) to work the starch first has to be gelatinized, good thing that barley starches gelatinize in the mash range, gelatinization continues throughout the mash, in fact full gelatinization is most likely not accomplished in a standard 60 minute infusion mash.
From a practical homebrew point of view this probably means don't worry too much, sure a wort mashed at 69C may produce a maltier beer than one at 63C, ...
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