HBHB
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Not yet. Planning to run up a large batch of very bland beer and split it into 10 odd small ferments to try them all in 1 go should give a reasonable idea on flavours.QldKev said:
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technobabble66
Meat Popsicle
Sounds great HBHB.
Eager to see the report on how it goes!
Eager to see the report on how it goes!
RobB
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Wow, they have doubled their range! When did that happen?
Although I see that the British and Burton Union strains are no longer listed: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0195/8620/files/72539_V1_MJ_CS_Yeast_Bk_lores.pdf?15349190601803791344
UK Dark appears on their yeasts' homepage, but is no longer in the product handbook. Strains listed below with newer ones in bold.
M76 Bavarian Lager
M20 Bavarian Wheat
M47 Belgian Abbey
M41 Belgian Ale
M31 Belgian Tripel
M21 Belgian Wit
M84 Bohemian Lager
M54 Californian Lager
M15 Empire Ale
M29 French Saison
M36 Liberty Bell Ale
M42 New World Strong Ale
M44 US West Coast
M02 Cider
M05 Mead
I'll admit that I like some of their strains and not others, but that's an impressive range.
Although I see that the British and Burton Union strains are no longer listed: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0195/8620/files/72539_V1_MJ_CS_Yeast_Bk_lores.pdf?15349190601803791344
UK Dark appears on their yeasts' homepage, but is no longer in the product handbook. Strains listed below with newer ones in bold.
M76 Bavarian Lager
M20 Bavarian Wheat
M47 Belgian Abbey
M41 Belgian Ale
M31 Belgian Tripel
M21 Belgian Wit
M84 Bohemian Lager
M54 Californian Lager
M15 Empire Ale
M29 French Saison
M36 Liberty Bell Ale
M42 New World Strong Ale
M44 US West Coast
M02 Cider
M05 Mead
I'll admit that I like some of their strains and not others, but that's an impressive range.
technobabble66
Meat Popsicle
Wow. Very impressive range now. Hopefully most of them (the new ones) are good ones - will be fantastic if they are.
I'm sure they wouldn't, but it'd be kinda funny if all the new ones are the same as the old ones, just with different labels
h34r: :lol:
I'm sure they wouldn't, but it'd be kinda funny if all the new ones are the same as the old ones, just with different labels
h34r: :lol:
technobabble66
Meat Popsicle
AND THEY FINALLY HAVE ESTIMATED ATTENUATION RANGES!!!
Hallelujah!
The essential piece of the puzzle... well, it's at least nice to have a number to enter into my spreadsheet now. Great to see that extra piece of info has been added in. Looking forward to hearing the results the new ones provide, they certainly sound interesting.
Now, to see if Full Pint have them on board........
EDIT: bit sad to see the British Ale is gone, i thought that was quite good. I wonder if the Liberty Bell Ale (or New World Strong ale) is the re-labelled British Ale...
And the Empire Ale characteristics sound rather like the previous Dark Ale strain...
:icon_offtopic: Double Team is a terrible terrible film. How on earth did Van Damme make so many films?!? He has got to be the worst of the 80's action actors.
Hallelujah!
The essential piece of the puzzle... well, it's at least nice to have a number to enter into my spreadsheet now. Great to see that extra piece of info has been added in. Looking forward to hearing the results the new ones provide, they certainly sound interesting.
Now, to see if Full Pint have them on board........
EDIT: bit sad to see the British Ale is gone, i thought that was quite good. I wonder if the Liberty Bell Ale (or New World Strong ale) is the re-labelled British Ale...
And the Empire Ale characteristics sound rather like the previous Dark Ale strain...
:icon_offtopic: Double Team is a terrible terrible film. How on earth did Van Damme make so many films?!? He has got to be the worst of the 80's action actors.
RobB
Well-Known Member
Malty Cultural said:
technobabble66 said:I'm sure they wouldn't, but it'd be kinda funny if all the new ones are the same as the old ones, just with different labels
Reading the descriptions, it seems some of the old strains have simply been rebadged.technobabble66 said:
British = New World Strong
Burton = Liberty Bell
UK Dark = Empire
The descriptions are exactly the same, yet the titles couldn't be more different. How do British and Burton suddenly leap across the Atlantic and become New World and Liberty Bell?
Never mind, that still makes seven new strains.
brewchampion
Active Member
Interesting observations Malty Cultural
The renaming seems very imaginative. But I think the original names weren't necessarily accurate the the first place.
Ive always suspected M07 BRITISH was WLP007 whitbread dry / WY1098 British Ale Yeast / Safale s-04 - Fermentis
But I originaly though "new world strong" Would be more like californian super yeast. , but after Maltys suggestion, maybe not.
I thought M79 Burton Union was WLP023 Burton ale WY1275 Thames Valley Ale, but the reports for this strain from MJ Dry was inconsistent. So maybe the new name is more accurate> This yeast got quite a bad wrap.
But originally I though "Liberty bell" Sounded like the Anchor Liberty strain: WLP051 California V Ale Yeast // 1272 American Ale Yeast II. Now that name rings a bell !!
UK dark = empire. Im uncertain about that. The UK dark also had a bad wrap, prob due to problems with vitality.
I think this new strain is an old dry strain.. muntons gold, : WY1968 / WLP-002. In large scale production already. Name well suited.
As for the rest...
A bit shocked, as my previous theory had been that these yeasts were repackaged.
Reason being: Yeast scientists have told me dried yeast is very difficult to make. (Something about O2)
But with the variety of this release. I dont think there is this many dried yeast available anywhere already,, is there?
Are they really making this themselves>??I do love to cross compare so here goes..
[SIZE=14pt]M76 Bavarian Lager.. another available [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Saflager S189 , or S23[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]M20 Bavarian Wheat. [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Safbrew WB-06 ?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]M47 Belgian Abbey ??? Anyone guess> Im not good at Belgian yeast[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]M41 Belgian Ale (M27 renamed ?) [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Safbrew T-58[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]M31 Belgian Tripel ???? Wow ! cool![/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]M21 Belgian Wit,, same as [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Brewferm [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]"Blanche"?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]M84 Bohemian Lager, Saflager "[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]34/70"[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]M54 Californian Lager [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Wyeast 2112?? (another anchor strain?)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]M15 Empire Ale as discussed, muntons gold?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]M29 French Saison YES !!! Should be a wine yeast by definition. WY[/SIZE]3711 French Saison Brasserie Thiriez
[SIZE=14pt]M36 Liberty Bell Ale, Cal ale 2, as discussed above ? Its a nice strain. [/SIZE]WLP051 California V Ale Yeast // 1272 American Ale Yeast II.
[SIZE=14pt]M42 New World Strong Ale, I hope its [/SIZE]WLP090 San Diego Super Yeast because its incredible
[SIZE=14pt]M44 US West Coast, well US05 would be cheep to repackage, but a little bird told me it was [/SIZE]wy1764 Pacman / rogue ???
[SIZE=14pt]M02 Cider , I have no idea [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]M05 Mead ?
sources[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]My page updating now...[/SIZE]
http://mjyeastsub.blogspot.com.au/
Other sites;
http://www.mrmalty.com/yeast.htm
http://www.thegreatmaibockaddict.com/yeast-strain-sources.shtml
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0093/2142/files/Yeast_Substitutions.pdf?1928
http://pastbrews.goodloegroup.com/2013/11/dry-yeast-substitution.html
http://byo.com/resources/yeast
The renaming seems very imaginative. But I think the original names weren't necessarily accurate the the first place.
Ive always suspected M07 BRITISH was WLP007 whitbread dry / WY1098 British Ale Yeast / Safale s-04 - Fermentis
But I originaly though "new world strong" Would be more like californian super yeast. , but after Maltys suggestion, maybe not.
I thought M79 Burton Union was WLP023 Burton ale WY1275 Thames Valley Ale, but the reports for this strain from MJ Dry was inconsistent. So maybe the new name is more accurate> This yeast got quite a bad wrap.
But originally I though "Liberty bell" Sounded like the Anchor Liberty strain: WLP051 California V Ale Yeast // 1272 American Ale Yeast II. Now that name rings a bell !!
UK dark = empire. Im uncertain about that. The UK dark also had a bad wrap, prob due to problems with vitality.
I think this new strain is an old dry strain.. muntons gold, : WY1968 / WLP-002. In large scale production already. Name well suited.
As for the rest...
A bit shocked, as my previous theory had been that these yeasts were repackaged.
Reason being: Yeast scientists have told me dried yeast is very difficult to make. (Something about O2)
But with the variety of this release. I dont think there is this many dried yeast available anywhere already,, is there?
Are they really making this themselves>??I do love to cross compare so here goes..
[SIZE=14pt]M76 Bavarian Lager.. another available [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Saflager S189 , or S23[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]M20 Bavarian Wheat. [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Safbrew WB-06 ?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]M47 Belgian Abbey ??? Anyone guess> Im not good at Belgian yeast[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]M41 Belgian Ale (M27 renamed ?) [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Safbrew T-58[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]M31 Belgian Tripel ???? Wow ! cool![/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]M21 Belgian Wit,, same as [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Brewferm [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]"Blanche"?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]M84 Bohemian Lager, Saflager "[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]34/70"[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]M54 Californian Lager [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Wyeast 2112?? (another anchor strain?)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]M15 Empire Ale as discussed, muntons gold?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]M29 French Saison YES !!! Should be a wine yeast by definition. WY[/SIZE]3711 French Saison Brasserie Thiriez
[SIZE=14pt]M36 Liberty Bell Ale, Cal ale 2, as discussed above ? Its a nice strain. [/SIZE]WLP051 California V Ale Yeast // 1272 American Ale Yeast II.
[SIZE=14pt]M42 New World Strong Ale, I hope its [/SIZE]WLP090 San Diego Super Yeast because its incredible
[SIZE=14pt]M44 US West Coast, well US05 would be cheep to repackage, but a little bird told me it was [/SIZE]wy1764 Pacman / rogue ???
[SIZE=14pt]M02 Cider , I have no idea [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]M05 Mead ?
sources[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]My page updating now...[/SIZE]
http://mjyeastsub.blogspot.com.au/
Other sites;
http://www.mrmalty.com/yeast.htm
http://www.thegreatmaibockaddict.com/yeast-strain-sources.shtml
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0093/2142/files/Yeast_Substitutions.pdf?1928
http://pastbrews.goodloegroup.com/2013/11/dry-yeast-substitution.html
http://byo.com/resources/yeast
That's the second time the Empire has been renamed. Originally Newcastle Dark, then UK Dark, now Empire.
I found the UK Dark to be a rottweiler, chewed through a brew of porter in four days then dropped like a rock. I thought the fermentation had failed till I took a sample.
HBHB do you have the new range for sale yet or is the range still as on your website?
I put in an order over the weekend and if the new ones are available I wouldn't mind slipping a few in as a supplemental order before you despatch order #1.
I found the UK Dark to be a rottweiler, chewed through a brew of porter in four days then dropped like a rock. I thought the fermentation had failed till I took a sample.
HBHB do you have the new range for sale yet or is the range still as on your website?
I put in an order over the weekend and if the new ones are available I wouldn't mind slipping a few in as a supplemental order before you despatch order #1.
onesnzeros
Member
According to a foreign MJ distributor, the M29 French Saison is the M27 Belgian...
M36 Liberty Bell Ale is the Burton Union and M42 New World Strong Ale is the M07.
It's gotta be true, cos i read it on the internet.
M44 US West Coast is definitely 1764 Rogue Pacman though.
these are some other close approximations i use...
M20 Bavarian Wheat - Wyeast 3638
M79 Burton Union - Wyeast 1275 Thames Valley or WLP023
M84 Bohemian Lager - Wyeast 2124 or WLP830
M07 British Ale Yeast - WLP007
M36 Liberty Bell Ale is the Burton Union and M42 New World Strong Ale is the M07.
It's gotta be true, cos i read it on the internet.
M44 US West Coast is definitely 1764 Rogue Pacman though.
these are some other close approximations i use...
M20 Bavarian Wheat - Wyeast 3638
M79 Burton Union - Wyeast 1275 Thames Valley or WLP023
M84 Bohemian Lager - Wyeast 2124 or WLP830
M07 British Ale Yeast - WLP007
brewchampion
Active Member
Tx onesnzeros,onesnzeros said:
I found the post in question...
http://www.homebrewtalk.com/showpost.php?p=7411736&postcount=17
Im thinking, that either
1/ The post is complete horse shit....
or
2/ Its true, and MJ dried yeast product is horse shit.
There is no way the Mangrove Jacks dried yeast could possibly be renamed into completely different beer styles.
If MJ think they can do this, then there product isnt worth putting into your brew. You wont get a beer any where near style!
I hope the renaming is BS anyhow.
Updated:
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