James Squire Golden Ale

[glitchpop]

James Squire Golden Ale blows me away. It is part of the reason for my getting into homebrewing. As much as I've searched the net I can't seem to find a recipe that comes close. I'd like to try it with extracts before I attempt all grain.

Any ideas?

cheers

Rich

 

[drsmurto]

bconnery posted a partial recipe on another forum - Link

My last kit beer was a golden ale 'clone'

1 tin Coopers Sparkling ale
1 tin Coopers wheat malt extract
20g amarillo @ 10, 5 and dry hop
US56

Easy drinking ale. I have an AG version waiting to be kegged.

Cheers
DrSmurto

 

[Steve]

type JSGA in the search field...theres a fair bit of reading.....just all grain though but it will give you ideas on hop usage etc.
Cheers
Steve

 

[bconnery]

Here is my recipe again.
You would just need to replace the golden promise grain with some more extract, probably not quite a kg though, maybe a little less.
I can say that this was reasonably close to JS, at least enough to be much appreciated by the golden ale drinker I made it for.
Just to repeat the info that formed the basis of this recipe it is known that JSGA contains 30% wheat, ale malt and a touch of crystal, bittered with POR and Amarillo late for the rest.
I went a little lighter on the Amarillo than I might have if I was making this for me, but as a 'clone' I think it was pretty right.
The wheat liquid extract was Coopers...
The yeast was actually s05 dry...

1000.00 gm Light Dry Extract (15.8 EBC) Dry Extract 25.64 %
1500.00 gm Wheat Liquid Extract (15.8 EBC) Extract 38.46 %
1000.00 gm Golden Promise (5.9 EBC) Grain 25.64 %
300.00 gm Wheat Malt, Ger (3.9 EBC) Grain 7.69 %
100.00 gm Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (78.8 EBC) Grain 2.56 %
30.00 gm Pride of Ringwood [9.00 %] (45 min) Hops 24.9 IBU
25.00 gm Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] (5 min) Hops 4.2 IBU
25.00 gm Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] (0 min) (Aroma HopHops -
1 Pkgs American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056) Yeast-Ale

 

[brettprevans]

heres a few on top of Dr Smurto's and Bconnery's

As you can see the recipes are as Bconnery said, a variation on the 30% wheat, ale malt, bit o crystal, and Amarillo (or substitutes of)



JS Golden Ale V1
2.2Kgs of Unhopped Pale LME
1Kgs of Unhopped Wheat LME
0.25Kgs Crystal malt - steeped for 20mins
22gms POR @ 60mins
12gms Amarillo (8.4%) @ 10mins
12gms Amarillo (8.4%) @ 0mins
15gms Amarillo (8.4%) Dry Hopped in secondary for 7 days
US-56
20L batch

Begin by steeping crystal malt in 2 Litres of water at around 70C. Steep for 20 minutes. Once the 20 mins are almost up, start to boil the Pale LME in 4Litres of water. Strain the steeped crystal wort into the boil.
Add the hop additions and 10 mins before the end of the boil add the Wheat LME.
Ferment at approx 18C.

JS Golden Ale V2
Coopers Heritage Lager
Morgans Caramalt Masterblend
600g Light Dry Malt
10g Amarillo @ 15 and 5 minute
25g Amarillo (Dry Hopped)
made to 23 litres, US-56 yeast
ferment at 18C

JSGA V3
23L batch
1 can of Coopers Lager
1kg of wheat LME
Steep 250g of Crystal for 20mins (add 25g of Amarillo too)
Dry hop 15g (although you could probably just up the above addition to 40-50g instead if you wanted to)
US-56

 

[SJW]

This is my AG copy of this one. Its very very close but I would back the hops off to about 20 IBUs and reduce the OG to 1.050 and you wont be far away. The trick is use 30% wheat malt, thats stright from the Chucks mouth

Steve

#39 JS GOLDEN ALE
American Pale Ale

Type: All Grain
Date: 27/04/2007
Batch Size: 28.00 L


Brewer: Stephen Wright
Boil Size: 34.31 L Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 75 min Equipment: BIG TEDS KEG
Taste Rating(out of 50): 0.0 Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00
Taste Notes:

Ingredients

Amount Item Type % or IBU
4000.00 gm Pilsner, Malt Craft Export (Joe White) (3.2 EBC) Grain 62.40 %
2000.00 gm Wheat Malt, Malt Craft (Joe White) (3.5 EBC) Grain 31.20 %
300.00 gm Munich, Dark (Joe White) (29.6 EBC) Grain 4.68 %
60.00 gm Crystal (Joe White) (141.8 EBC) Grain 0.94 %
50.00 gm Chocolate Malt (Joe White) (750.6 EBC) Grain 0.78 %
25.00 gm Pride of Ringwood [10.00 %] (60 min) Hops 21.7 IBU
15.00 gm Amarillo Gold [9.50 %] (12 min) Hops 5.2 IBU
15.00 gm Amarillo Gold [9.50 %] (2 min) Hops 1.0 IBU
15.00 gm Amarillo Gold [9.50 %] (1 min) Hops 0.5 IBU
0.50 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs US-56 (DCL Yeast) Yeast-Lager



Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.054 SG
Measured Original Gravity: 1.053 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.014 SG Measured Final Gravity: 1.008 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 5.20 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 5.87 %
Bitterness: 28.5 IBU Calories: 492 cal/l
Est Color: 15.5 EBC Color: Color


Mash Profile

Mash Name: Single Infusion, Light Body Total Grain Weight: 6410.00 gm
Sparge Water: 13.73 L Grain Temperature: 20.0 C
Sparge Temperature: 75.6 C TunTemperature: 20.0 C
Adjust Temp for Equipment: TRUE Mash PH: 5.4 PH

Single Infusion, Light Body Step Time Name Description Step Temp
75 min Mash In Add 15.00 L of water at 73.5 C 66.0 C
10 min Mash Out Add 12.00 L of water at 89.5 C 75.6 C

 

[Fourstar]

Here's my version. On of the best extracts ive made to date. Now ive jumped ship to AG i think i may be re-jigging the recipe to suit. Awseome Amarillo on the nose with a great pillowy head retention. The SAF-04 made a big difference to the beer, helps make a great clone yet individual in its own right.

Note: I had a very cloudy ferment, gave it some finings to clear her out. That is if you want yours golden like a fireburst and not like you have cataracts.


Golden Ale Clone
American Wheat

Batch Size: 22.00 L

Boil Size: 12.00 L
Boil Time: 60 min

Ingredients
1.00 kg Light Dry Extract (15.8 EBC) Dry Extract 26.7 %
1.00 kg Wheat Dry Extract (5.0 EBC) Dry Extract 26.7 %
1.50 kg Amber Liquid Extract (12.0 EBC) Extract 40.0 %
0.25 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (118.2 EBC) Grain 6.7 %
15.00 gm Amarillo Gold [8.50%] (60 min) Hops 15.3 IBU
10.00 gm Amarillo Gold [8.50%] (20 min) Hops 6.2 IBU
10.00 gm Amarillo Gold [8.50%] (10 min) Hops 3.7 IBU
10.00 gm Amarillo Gold [8.50%] (0 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
20.00 gm Amarillo Gold [8.50%] (Dry Hop 3 days) Hops -
1 Pkgs Safale S-04 (Fermentis) [Starter 50 ml] Yeast-Ale



Beer Profile
Est Original Gravity: 1.056 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.016 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 5.2 %
Bitterness: 25.1 IBU Calories: 496 cal/l
Est Color: 17.2 EBC Color: Color


Mash Profile
Mash Name: Single Infusion, Medium Body

Name Description Step Temp Step Time
Mash In Add 0.65 L of water at 74.4 C 67.8 C 60 min

 

[bonj]

I used to love this, but I had one recently and couldn't cope with the POR flavour.

If I was to make this recipe, what would be a clean bittering hop I could substitute for POR?

 

[dig]

If I was to make this recipe, what would be a clean bittering hop I could substitute for POR?

Super Alpha

 

[clay]

I used to love this, but I had one recently and couldn't cope with the POR flavour.

If I was to make this recipe, what would be a clean bittering hop I could substitute for POR?

Bonj, I made a brew recently that by chance turned out very similar to JSGA. I used Centennial at 60min followed by lots of Amarillo. Very nice

 

[oldbugman]

I used to love this, but I had one recently and couldn't cope with the POR flavour.

If I was to make this recipe, what would be a clean bittering hop I could substitute for POR?

bittering hop?

just up the amarillo and get all your bittering from 20mins and less :beer: :beer: :beer:

 

[Fourstar]

Yeah, Isnt it meant to a a 1 Hop beer?

All i can taste is Amarillo, i use nothing but amarillo and I feel my recipe suceeded.

The only diff i can tell is the yeast i use which i think is well worth the change from US-05

 

[geoffi]

Bonj, I made a brew recently that by chance turned out very similar to JSGA. I used Centennial at 60min followed by lots of Amarillo. Very nice

Ditto on the Centennial. I made one recently with this hop for bittering and Amarillo aroma, and it's a damned fine brew.

 

[bconnery]

Yeah, Isnt it meant to a a 1 Hop beer?

All i can taste is Amarillo, i use nothing but amarillo and I feel my recipe suceeded.

The only diff i can tell is the yeast i use which i think is well worth the change from US-05

JSGA is bittered with POR. An all amarillo ale will be nice, it just comes down to the whole 'clone' vs in the style of argument...
Bonj, I think browndog is fond of Magnum as a bittering hop...

 

[edoeven]

JS Golden Ale V1
2.2Kgs of Unhopped Pale LME
1Kgs of Unhopped Wheat LME
0.25Kgs Crystal malt - steeped for 20mins
22gms POR @ 60mins
12gms Amarillo (8.4%) @ 10mins
12gms Amarillo (8.4%) @ 0mins
15gms Amarillo (8.4%) Dry Hopped in secondary for 7 days
US-56
20L batch

I brewed this as my first extract brew, with a couple of mods (HBS guy's advice / can sizes)
1.5 kG coopers can of each - pale LME & wheat LME
250g carared in place of 250g crystal, user Northern Brewer in place of POR

it turned out very nicely not a "clone", but a very nice beer in the same sort of style!

my next AG will probably be something like, ~30% wheat, ~35% pilsner, ~30% ale, and some crystal, approx 20-27 IBU with late amarillo + amarillo in secondary.

 

[Kai]

I used to love this, but I had one recently and couldn't cope with the POR flavour.

If I was to make this recipe, what would be a clean bittering hop I could substitute for POR?

The cleanest bittering hop I've used is Magnum. However, I'm surprised that you find an intolerable POR flavour in JS Golden. The last few I've had have been really average, but nothing I'd associate with Pride.

 

[MHB]

I am another big fan of Magnum for bittering APA's (well any American style), it would be my first choice.
Likewise - Target for anything out of the UK and Northern Brewer for German beers.

All thee have in common a clean neutral pallet, acceptably high alphas and don't throw off flavours even when used to excess.

I think all of the big flavour American hops can dominate a beer to the point where they are all you can taste.

Better to my mind to use them judiciously, as finishing hops and in proportion to the amount of malt backbone the beer has to support the hop addition.

Balance first

MHB

 

[drsmurto]

I just tapped my golden ale on sunday. Its an AG version so not a lot of help but its a nice drop. I have taken the advice of not calling it a clone but it does resemble JSGA in some ways. Its not an overly hoppy beer, i carbed it lower and kept the IBUs down.

2.40 kg Pilsner (Weyermann) (3.3 EBC) Grain 56.60 %
0.80 kg Munich I (Weyermann) (14.0 EBC) Grain 18.87 %
0.80 kg Wheat Malt, Malt Craft (Joe White) (3.5 EBC) Grain 18.87 %
0.24 kg Caramalt (Joe White) (49.3 EBC) Grain 5.66 %
20.00 gm Northern Brewer [9.10 %] (60 min) Hops 22.2 IBU
15.00 gm Amarillo [8.90 %] (10 min) Hops 5.9 IBU
15.00 gm Amarillo [8.90 %] (5 min) Hops 3.2 IBU
15.00 gm Amarillo [8.90 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
US56
20L, OG 1.050, IBU 31

Its a nice easy drinking summer beer. I will give magnum a go next time as i am yet to use it. Its the first time i have used less than 60+ grams of amarillo in this beer and its better for it. Damn its easy to drink :chug:

Cheers
DrSmurto

 

[tk75]

Here is my recipe(I too am a BIG fan of JSGA!!)...I have only just made this and now just finished off a stubby, this has to be my best brew result to date!!

Ingredients:
1 x Can Toohey's Lager
1.5kg Morgan's Unhopped Pale Malt Extract
500g Morgan's Wheat Malt Extract
Cooper's yeast(made a starter too)
Batch Size: 22L

Hops:
Hallertau
Saphire
Amarillo

Method:
~ Boil time - 90mins
~ I started to boil 8L of water, once @ 78C I added first hops(20g Hallertau, 10g Saphire) and extracts.
~ 15g Hallertau, 20g Saphire, 5g Amarillo @ 10mins
~ Toohey's Lager can @ 5mins
~ 10g Hallertau, 5g Saphire, 20g Amarillo @ Flameout
~ Fermented for 6 weeks(I think it was in Primary for 3 and the same for secondary...I really need to take better notes )
S.G. 1050
F.G. 1013
I bottle my beer so priming was: 500ml water + 137g Dex

 

[hazz20]

Yeah, Isnt it meant to a a 1 Hop beer?

All i can taste is Amarillo, i use nothing but amarillo and I feel my recipe suceeded.

The only diff i can tell is the yeast i use which i think is well worth the change from US-05

My LHBS gave me us-05 saying it was formerly us-56, which is what I was after. Have I been swindled?

Hazz