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Perhaps I'm just stringing you along, babyface. One's perception can be a very powerful blinding light. Far be it from me to clarify your 'visions'

Anyway, can we PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC. This is a very bad habit of yours, Katie. We're focusing on ripping the hell out of Nick JD. Please pay attention.
 
Shaunms - to summerize : as has been covered earlier in the thread the most likely reasons for differant reasons are variation in temp. temp varies the readings. or if could have been that you had a sample of the wort that had more fermentables in it (1st) or less (2nd). after you've stirred the crap out of it, the fermentables (or sugars if you prefer) will settle out in differant rates ie the solution will not be the same density in all spots.

Its not really an issue. all you want to know is that your OG is roughtly where it should be (use a gravity calc tool). a few points differance isnt too much of an issue.

as to the last few posts....seriously, bad form.
 
I don't care who rips what out of anybody, but........
let's not lay into Katie.

I don't like boofie beer swilling blokes laying into ladies, it's not good form, and not clever.
 
I never claimed to not be sexist.
Just ask my wife.
She thinks I'm the world's greatest mysoginist and racist walking the planet.
So does my daughter, and my daughter-in-law hates my guts.
But deep down I'm a really sweet guy.
I never cuss and fuss at a mishit golf shot, and the final kicker, I brew my own beer, and love it.
 
Do a standard K&K brew and take two OG readings after mixing the wort as much as you can. Take the first from the surface of the wort. Take the second from the tap.

Take these two again after a few minutes.

If you use the: boiling water into 1.5kg of malt extract and sugar method ... and add cold water, you need an electric stirrer to evenly mix the wort. Adequate mixing times are so long you start to expose the wort to foreign yeast.

OG readings are almost always high. All calculations are moot.

Whoever said this was a genius.
 
Raises Hand :blink:


When brewing beers, even the All Grain ones for my own consumption and not for a competition, I omit OG/FG readings as well. I'm still banal about control of fermentation for SNA-1/3rd Sugar Break Mead fermentations and throw all sorts of daily readings and formulaic evaluation into the mix. But if doing a simple Mead like JAO I take no readings either. Then again I can formulaically determine OG on Meads with no instruments.

That said, Refractometers and Hydrometers for most part are analogue instruments and have their own error rates. Even mathematical formulas have error rates, but usually out to the third of fourth digit following the decimal point. While in the formulas this is pretty damn good and all you can really hope to achieve, the tools have way higher error rates than my formulas.

This does not invalidate their use. But I see them as guideposts on a roadmap to tick off that you are headed in the same direction someone who created a recipe mapped out with their readings. You can factor in different brew gear, efficiency ratings, differing error rates among tools but if I wanted to try and gain consistency.

That and they give you something to talk about to other brewers and use as a way of building a mental description of the process you went through that they could then attempt to replicate and have a greater chance of succeeding than without readings. It also lets us more expediently diagnose potential wrong turns or problem areas if someone has a problem and not the first hand experience but has the sample data to evaluate that might clue us in on a list of most likely areas which could have created an end result thats up for analysis.

But are they necessary for making good tasting beer. I have to be honest and say no. I can see where Nick started from in his original post and is coming from but your dragging it a bit to far out if wanting to make an overarching judgement statement. For yourself yes its perfectly fine. But we must let others make their own decisions of what they want to put in effort wise in learning (or not) about their brewing.

Like BribieG I pretty much know my recipes and I do them from memory again and again. If I'm reading about something I have not done I will go into the additional sample readings and that helps me build in my mind the steps I will be going through to replicate. If the process is simple I'll usually omit, but if its more in depth I will.

You can make some great beer and it has been made for as long as the history of organised gatherings of humans and the only tools available for gravity readings a freshly laid hens egg near the tail end of mans history of making beer.

If you want to get started on something, my pet peeve is all these years above of beer brewing when you didn't get hops shrink wrapped with AA% ratings written all over the packet and how people survived and made great beer. Today a lot of brewers I meet are too chicken shit to make their beers bittering as well as flavour and aroma hopping using nothing but all the hops they grew themselves. What is this must use store bought hops for bittering malarky going around? You are making it for your own consumption right? Every batch isn't going into a competition event.

Cheers,
Brewer Pete
 
more like a tosser...

Come on butters, you can be more eloquent than that. I thought you an intelligent fellow.

Please take multiple OG readings from your kit brew wort from the top, middle and tap and write down the specific gravities, do it a few times. You will see that none are reliable. Do the research ... then establish who is and who isn't a tosser.

The OP of this thread had the exact same problem, just on a large scale. I'd say that most kit worts are inadequately stirred to give a relevant OG figure.
 
Pouring cold water on top of 75 degree malt/sugar syrup and then expecting to get an evenly distributed specific gravity is like pouring cold water on top of a spoon full of sugar in a coffee cup.

It takes an insane amount of stiring to even start to get a homogenous solution. Take all the OGs you want .. they'll be next to useless.
 
It's a lot easier when you pour in some boiling water first. Back in my kit days I never had any trouble; stirred it well before adding cold water, and vigorously for aeration.
 
It's a lot easier when you pour in some boiling water first. Back in my kit days I never had any trouble; stirred it well before adding cold water, and vigorously for aeration.

Ah, but you were a kit brewer (by your own admission), clearly you were too stupid to brew in those days!
 
Or add your goop & other fermentables at the end of your boil. Then when you mix it with cold water in the fermenter, it's all mixed. I had a similar theoy, so have taken to doing a measure of the tapped wort, and then ladelled a portion out from the bulk of the wort. Same-Same, on both readings.
 
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