How Many Of Us Does This Describe?

[Bribie G]

Probably spotted the Heineken sign on the tourist hotel.

 

[Muggus]

Certainly me to a degree. Though i'm quite open and honest about being an alcoholic. But then I have mates from work, and their mates, who seriously are at a different level of being alcoholics, where it's nothing to do with the quality of the drink, more just getting drunk and going to irrational lengths to get it.

 

[C_west]

I find that I tend to drink just because I like the taste of the beer (my homebrew mostly), getting drunk is just a side affect. A lot of people my age (22) tend to drink to get drunk and will not just have a beer or two after work during the week. In all honesty if my brews tasted exactly the same as they did now without alcohol, which I know is impossible, I would probably still drink almost as much as I do now. It is nice to have a few beers with mates and get a little 'happy' etc, but I still find even with the amount that I drink during the week that I am never drunk by myself.

In my eyes there is a difference between wanting to drink a nice beer, and wanting to drink alcohol in general.

 

[Nick JD]

I have an issue with the whole "high functioning" thing. It seems to imply that those who can maintain a happy and healthy life while getting quite pissed regularly have a problem.

 

[bum]

Nick, you seem to be forgetting that alcohol is a poison and does bad things to our bodies even if we are able to manage to stop it from doing bad things to our lives.

In a nutshell, based on the DSM we are all high functioning somethings - all behaviours and problems exist on a continuum and the labelling comes in at a certain (sometimes arguably arbitrary) point.

ENABLER!!!

 

[Lecterfan]

ENABLER!!!

:icon_drunk:


edit: plus, if we look at Nick's post in full he says happy AND healthy so to accept the premise of his statement is to imply that while he gets pissed regularly he has the autonomy to make an informed decision, thus regulating the effectof the poison in the first instance. Although if there is a long way to say something I'm sure to find it.

 

[Bribie G]

I was reading a book last year about the history of drink. Apparently in the 18th century the gentry who ruled Britain and engineered the biggest takeover of the world in modern times - the British Empire - would regularly drink four of five bottles of port a day, and by the end of the evening would literally be lying on the floor, and employ young boys to loosen their collars so they wouldn't choke, then would get back into the port the next morning as they shaved.

 

[bum]

edit: plus, if we look at Nick's post in full he says happy AND healthy so to accept the premise of his statement is to imply that while he gets pissed regularly he has the autonomy to make an informed decision, thus regulating the effectof the poison in the first instance.

I think you'll find that interpretation of the text undermines the point behind it.

Also the questions ask nothing about organ health so "healthy" in the context of the, er, context refers to mental heath (and social health if we're willing to accept such a concept).

 

[InCider]

I voted yes.

I own the book from the website below.

The author, Frank Kelly Rich is one of my facebook friends h34r:

Modern Drunkard Magazine.

It's great. I really identify with a lot of it. I've been kicked out of pubs and clubs from St Kilda to Cairns.

 

[Lecterfan]

I think you'll find that interpretation of the text undermines the point behind it.

Also the questions ask nothing about organ health so "healthy" in the context of the, er, context refers to mental heath (and social health if we're willing to accept such a concept).

I'm a post-structuralist, there is no point behind it, just the interpretation itself (of course I agree with what you're saying, but I'm just being a prick).

But your point that it damages our bodies even if not our lives is of course perfectly valid, but all the psychowaffle about HFA is only about the other aspects of "health" as you stated, and philosophically therefore what Nick has said is in line with that point.

And you are completely correct about "healthy" - the actual DSM classification actually does have a number of biological and physiological criteria that have to be met; thus my earlier point that HFA is clinician slang.

employ young boys to loosen their collars

Sounds like an 18th century euphemism to me...


...BOY! Get here and..."loosen my collar"

 

[proudscum]

i will drink to this and that, for that matter.A bit like why arent all chefs fat?

 

[matt white]

HFA - count me in!!!

 

[jyo]

I voted yes to some of the above.
But what about the High Functioning Austistic Alcoholics? They get drunk regularly but can't make eye contact and get stuck trying to choose which coloured malt to brew with.

 

[Nick JD]

Nick, you seem to be forgetting that alcohol is a poison and does bad things to our bodies even if we are able to manage to stop it from doing bad things to our lives.

The detrimental effects on my health at the rate I enjoy beer are so small they are effectively non-existant. I barely get above the legal driving limit.

The greasy sausages I'm cooking for dinner tonight will do more damage than the beer I'm washing them down with.

 

[razz]

I love sausages! :wub:

 

[Tony]

i will say 2 things

Yes.... most likely i am as per described.

and

Suck my hairy balls you wowser "anything other than yourselves is bad" fuckheads............ im happy with my life and i will do what i want!!!

you have to die of something........ I will die happy with a beer in my hand

I could write up all sorts of crap based on my personal beliefs of different social and religious groups........ but it would only ever amount to my opinion in the end.

Watch the vid....... its how i feel on this topic!

 

[Cocko]

Bill hicks:

My final point about alchohol, about drugs, about Pornography...What business is it of your's what I do, read, buy, see or take into my body as long as I don't harm another human being whilst on this planet? And for those of you having a little moral dilemna on how to answer this, I'll answer for you. NONE OF YOUR ******* BUSINESS Take that to the bank, cash it and take it on a vacation outta my ******* life.

Says it well...


Edit: BTW would see my self as a HFA but can admit it and don't really have a problem with it if I stay HF...

 

[jonocarroll]

i will drink to this and that, for that matter.A bit like why arent all chefs fat?

The good ones are... h34r: NEVER trust a skinny chef.

Suck my hairy balls you wowser "anything other than yourselves is bad" fuckheads............ im happy with my life and i will do what i want!!!

you have to die of something........ I will die happy with a beer in my hand

Phew, glad that's sorted out. I couldn't agree more, but there's a lot of work to be done now - tell you what, we'll split the effort; I'll call all the mental health workers and tell them to pack it in and go home, you start letting the happy-yet-unbalanced loose on society. Gee it's going to be great. What the freak were we thinking trying to make sure that self-destructive behaviour was payed attention before getting out of hand? I mean, starting a non-compulsory poll on a forum? ****** Nazi's man!

 

[Guysmiley54]

Watch the vid....... its how i feel on this topic!

Great song Tony :kooi:

 

[petesbrew]

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I dunno, the guy on the left of the machete looks pretty happy.

What's the point of holes in machetes?