Hop Hog Clone

[ian4379]

i only brewed mine yesterday, will report back when i bottle

 

[maldridge]

Alright sorry to keep everyone waiting. Thought we'd lost interest! I've polished off the keg with a few mates and I've got a few bottles stored away which I'll be cracking soon (don't want to wait too long, don't wanna miss out on the amazing aroma).

So my attempt was by far the best beer I've made (I'm a big IPA fan). It's certainly not spot on as a hop hog 'clone', but it's still an amazing IPA. The only thing I'd change next time is probably go harder on the dry hopping.

I split the batch, fermented half with 1272, and cubed the other half. I just started fermenting the other half with Wyeast West Coast IPA 1217 yeast, which is a limited run I think, so looking forward to checking out this batch in a couple of weeks and comparing with the other that I have bottled.

Enjoy.

Here's my recipe.

Style: American IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 58.04 l
Post Boil Volume: 53.04 l
Batch Size (fermenter): 50.00 l
Bottling Volume: 50.00 l
Estimated OG: 1.059 SG
Estimated Color: 12.7 EBC
Estimated IBU: 50.0 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 69.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 70.4 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes
Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
2.50 tbsp PH 5.2 Stabilizer (Mash 60.0 mins) Water Agent 1 -
6.64 kg Pilsner, Malt Craft Export (Joe White) ( Grain 2 49.0 %
6.50 kg Pale Malt, Maris Otter (5.9 EBC) Grain 3 48.0 %
0.42 kg Caramunich I (Weyermann) (100.5 EBC) Grain 4 3.1 %
15.69 g Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 9.2 IBUs
20.92 g Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 30.0 min Hop 6 7.9 IBUs
17.47 g Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 30.0 min Hop 7 7.9 IBUs
1.00 Items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 mins) Fining 8 -
53.35 g Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 9 5.2 IBUs
29.29 g Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 10 5.2 IBUs
24.58 g Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 11 5.2 IBUs
57.53 g Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 12 3.1 IBUs
32.43 g Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 13 3.2 IBUs
26.67 g Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 14 3.1 IBUs
55.00 g Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 15 0.0 IBUs
31.00 g Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 16 0.0 IBUs
25.00 g Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 17 0.0 IBUs
1.3 pkg American Ale II (Wyeast Labs #1272) [124 Yeast 18 -
20.00 g Cascade [5.50 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 19 0.0 IBUs
20.00 g Centennial [10.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 20 0.0 IBUs
20.00 g Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 21 0.0 IBUs

Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body
Total Grain Weight: 13.55 kg
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Name Description Step Tempera Step Time
Mash In Add 37.34 l of water at 72.8 C 66.7 C 60 min
Mash Out Add 19.79 l of water at 94.6 C 75.6 C 10 min

Sparge: Batch sparge with 2 steps (Drain mash tun, , 16.48l) of 75.6 C water

 

[Middo]

Hi Guys,

I'm going to have a go at making a clone of this and being only my 4th brew and 1st time I've used Brew Smith I'm trying to find some substitute malt as the Joe White Pilsner isn't a stock item carried by CraftBrewer (site sponsor).

I was looking to do something similar to the recipe above on a 23ltr batch BIAB with chiller. I'm going to try the 4 hops Citra, Cascade, Centennial & Amarillo.... mostly late additions with 100g in the urn and 100g dry hopped.

If anyone has any suggestions on the malt to use I'd like to know... I'm going to have a go anyway myself and will post up the recipe when I'm done.

 

[slcmorro]

Any Pils should still get you a pretty close result mate. JW Pils etc.

 

[Middo]

I had a go and this is the result I came up with using beersmith2, I have most of these hops already except for Amarillo though I'll get some of this with the grain order.

If anyone would recommend changing any of this please share. I'm going to order the grain tomorrow, doing a double batch this weekend with snpa being the other. I realise the magnum probably shouldn't be there but I figured the late additions from the core 4 should really bring out the aromas and tastes and well, magnum is pretty clean bittering so shouldn't really change things much.

Hogging Hops IPA
American IPA (14 B)
Type: All Grain
Batch Size: 23.50 l
Boil Size: 27.00 l
Boil Time: 60 min
End of Boil Vol: 23.50 l
Final Bottling Vol: 23.50 l
Fermentation: Ale, Single Stage
Date: 06 Jan 2014
Brewer: Adam M
Asst Brewer:
Equipment: BIAB 40LT URN
Efficiency: 70.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 70.0 %
Taste Rating: 30.0
Taste Notes:
Ingredients
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
6.00 kg Pilsner (Weyermann) (3.3 EBC) Grain 1 88.2 %
0.50 kg Caramunich I (Weyermann) (100.5 EBC) Grain 2 7.4 %
0.30 kg Carafoam (Weyermann) (3.9 EBC) Grain 3 4.4 %
20.00 g Magnum [12.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 4 24.6 IBUs
10.00 g Amarillo [9.20 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 5 4.7 IBUs
10.00 g Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 6 2.8 IBUs
10.00 g Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 7 5.1 IBUs
10.00 g Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 8 6.1 IBUs
15.00 g Amarillo [9.20 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 9 2.8 IBUs
15.00 g Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 10 3.1 IBUs
10.00 g Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 11 1.1 IBUs
10.00 g Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 12 2.5 IBUs
1.0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) [50.28 ml] Yeast 13 -
25.00 g Amarillo [9.20 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 14 0.0 IBUs
25.00 g Cascade [5.50 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 15 0.0 IBUs
25.00 g Centennial [10.00 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 16 0.0 IBUs
25.00 g Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 17 0.0 IBUs
Gravity, Alcohol Content and Color
Est Original Gravity: 1.064 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.017 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 6.1 %
Bitterness: 52.7 IBUs
Est Color: 17.0 EBC
Measured Original Gravity: 1.046 SG
Measured Final Gravity: 1.010 SG
Actual Alcohol by Vol: 4.7 %
Calories: 427.1 kcal/l
Mash Profile
Mash Name: BIAB, Full Body
Sparge Water: 0.00 l
Sparge Temperature: 75.6 C
Adjust Temp for Equipment: TRUE
Total Grain Weight: 6.80 kg
Grain Temperature: 22.2 C
Tun Temperature: 22.2 C
Mash PH: 5.20
Mash Steps
Name Description Step Temperature Step Time
Saccharification Add 31.16 l of water at 73.7 C 68.9 C 60 min
Mash Out Heat to 75.6 C over 7 min 75.6 C 10 min

Sparge: If steeping, remove grains, and prepare to boil wort
Mash Notes: Brew in a bag method where the full boil volume is mashed within the boil vessel and then the grains are withdrawn at the end of the mash. No active sparging is required. This is a full body beer profile.
Carbonation and Storage
Carbonation Type: Keg
Pressure/Weight: 67.02 KPA
Keg/Bottling Temperature: 4.0 C
Fermentation: Ale, Single Stage
Volumes of CO2: 2.3
Carbonation Used: Keg with 67.02 KPA
Age for: 30.00 days
Storage Temperature: 18.3 C
Notes
Created with BeerSmith

 

[Middo]

Oh and ignore the mash steps, these have been corrected to 60 Min sachirifacation target temp 65c after infusion.

 

[carniebrew]

You're a bit over on both ABV and IBU for a Hop Hog clone, but it still looks balanced. Looking again at Feral's description though:

We add a heavy dose of American Hops during both during the boil and late in the fermenting stage to give Hop Hog a strong pine needle and citrus aroma

There's plenty of citrus, but where's the "pine needle" coming from in your hop schedule?

 

[Middo]

That's probably the Simcoe that I'm missing from this recipe.... I could always throw some of that in at the dry hopping stage. Just need to get a pound or two of that in my store.,,, A few posts back it was said Amarillo and Simcoe where the only hops that were swapped, with Simcoe used when Amarillo wasn't available.

I also wanted to brew something a little stronger than the typical Hop Hog... figure that might slow me down and stop be polishing it off as quickly as I do the real thing. I smashed 4 cartons of this over xmas break, can't get enough of it.

 

[Middo]

I brewed this up yesterday, I added Chinook at the 15 min and 5 min boil to try and get some of that pine flavour/aroma (cut Magnum in half to 10g @60min boil), same amounts as the other 4.. my OG rating came up 1.070 with 73.3 efficiency.

Was a bit of a drama filled day... pretty much everything that could did go wrong, water filter dramas, fermenter had mould in it from sitting in the fridge which was turned off, then when I went to boil up the wort the crown urn kept tripping the power. It's new and only on its 4th brew... Ended up taking the kettle up to another circuit point which the main house is connected to and turned it on and the light kept flickering on the urn but didn't trip and after a while it went solid. When it did trip down in the brewery I heard an electrical short sound but no smell... oh well, back in the brewery again today doing a different batch, an SNPA byo clone recipe base with chinook and citra 15 grams each at 5 min boil and will add the same at dry hopping with 30 grams of cascade.

Happy Days!

Kegs are empty after xmas / new years so more brewing again next weekend!

 

[menoetes]

Hey Guys,

I love this beer to and I know a guy spends a lot of time knocking out clone recipes for his LHBS. He's got a nose for it and usually pretty damn close to the real thing (I've done his S&W and LCPA and both were spot on for me). He made an extract recipe, so I can't help out on the grain bill but his hops sound solid.

He told me that he uses Cascade, Galaxy and Citra (in that order) in the boil and dry hops with Simcoe. Having said that, I haven't tried this recipe yet and can't say for sure how it turns out but I trust this guys taste-buds.

It'll probably be my next brew.

 

[carniebrew]

Hey Guys,

I love this beer to and I know a guy spends a lot of time knocking out clone recipes for his LHBS. He's got a nose for it and usually pretty damn close to the real thing (I've done his S&W and LCPA and both were spot on for me). He made an extract recipe, so I can't help out on the grain bill but his hops sound solid.

He told me that he uses Cascade, Galaxy and Citra (in that order) in the boil and dry hops with Simcoe. Having said that, I haven't tried this recipe yet and can't say for sure how it turns out but I trust this guys taste-buds.

It'll probably be my next brew.

Would love to see a full recipe at some stage, just a list of hops makes it impossible to re-create, particulary around how much (and for how long) dry hopping with Simcoe would be critical....

 

[slcmorro]

This is what I did... (and am drinking right now)

4kg JW Pils
1kg JW Pale
1kg Wheat

60min Mash at 67c

30gm NS @ 60
15gm Amarillo @ 30
15gm Cascade @ 30
15gm NS @ 30
10gm NS @ 5
10gm Amarillo @ 5
10gm Cascade @ 0

Made to 20L, fermented at 19c with Bry97.

Dry hop in the keg with 10gm of NS, Amarillo and Cascade.

It's certainly got a very pale colour about it, around 9 EBC and it came out around 5.9% which is a bit much, but I'm happy with it.
Could have dry hopped it more aggressively, as it's been kegged for 2 weeks and still it doesn't carry much over to the nose.

On tasting, it's quite similar in a way, but at the same time it's definitely not the same as a Hop Hog. The NS is prominent on the forefront, and if I had my time again I'd bitter potentially with just Magnum for example, rather than using an aromatic/flavouring hop for the bittering component.

It's got a sweetness to it, which isn't quite balanced out enough with the bitterness in my opinion, and I'd probably go a little higher next time around. Brewmate says it's at 79.4 IBU though, and this is my first attempt at a highly bitter beer so I'm not quite sure where I've gone with this one.

Overall, it's very very drinkable, and I can't see it lasting too long but it's just not quite there. Might try the same grist, and use a bit of Citra and Centennial in place of the NS next time.

P.S - Using the wheat didn't help with any head retention at all. I know IPA's don't usually lace well and carry a big head, but this one is almost non existant after a minute or so.

 

[brewtas]

Did you use a hop bag in the boil? That can reduce the utilisation rate.

IPAs generally shouldn't have any problems with head retention. The extra hop matter actually helps head formation and retention. Might be your glass, might be a problem somewhere else.

 

[JoeyJoeJoe]

Funny you should say that about the head retention. I was doing some FG tests on some different beers a while back that involved letting them go flat over night. I dont know how but the hop hog had a thin bit of head and still laced after 12 hours on the bench really noticable when I put the hydrometer in! The other three beers I did where flat as flat in comparison.

 

[slcmorro]

No hop bags. BIAB though, not that'd make a diff. More wheat maybe, 1.5kgs?

 

[JoeyJoeJoe]

Did you use malted or unmalted wheat?

 

[slcmorro]

Malted.

 

[JoeyJoeJoe]

Yeah I have been using the malted wheat aswell I also started doing a rest at 72C for 10 minutes at someones suggestion (maybe manitcle?) and it has deffinitly been a step in the right direction and I also add 250 grams of carapils/carahell they are suposed to help.

 

[WWDWD]

[SIZE=12pt]I wanna have a go at making a Hop Hog clone....[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt][EDIT: Moved to Kits & Extracts... had too many tabs open researching this bad boy)[/SIZE]

 

[ian4379]

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