Hop Hog Clone

[pressure_tested]

I just made an IPA with Centennial, Citra & Simcoe and hops wise it didn't taste completely different to a poorly stored hop hog. (I'm not a very experienced brewer so pretty happy with it)

 

[mfeighan]

yeah i chatted with a dude from feral last night and he said
centennial, citra, cascade, simcoe and amarillo when its available, gonna give it a shot this weekend.

 

[carniebrew]

I just made an IPA with Centennial, Citra & Simcoe and hops wise it didn't taste completely different to a poorly stored hop hog. (I'm not a very experienced brewer so pretty happy with it)

I agree, I bottled an IPA with hop hog numbers a couple of weeks back (5.8% abv, 50 IBU), using Centennial, Citra and Amarillo late, and it's pretty similar too. I bittered with Warrior, but that doesn't seem to make much difference to the end flavour in this style IMO.

 

[maldridge]

I'm looking at brewing a hop hog style IPA in a couple of weeks. With all the differing opinions on what's correct/the best in this thread I'm finding it hard to put together a suitable hop schedule. I understand I'm shooting for 50 IBU but I'm unsure of my timings and amounts.

I'll be using:

~97.5% JW Pilsner
~2.5% Munich I

The hops I have available are:

Galaxy
Citra
Centennial
Cascade

Does anybody have any recommendations (from experience), as to a suitable hop schedule to use here? Using as many or little of the hops as I might need?

Thanks in advance!

 

[mxd]

I'm looking at brewing a hop hog style IPA in a couple of weeks. With all the differing opinions on what's correct/the best in this thread I'm finding it hard to put together a suitable hop schedule. I understand I'm shooting for 50 IBU but I'm unsure of my timings and amounts.

I'll be using:

~97.5% JW Pilsner
~2.5% Munich I

The hops I have available are:

Galaxy
Citra
Centennial
Cascade

Does anybody have any recommendations (from experience), as to a suitable hop schedule to use here? Using as many or little of the hops as I might need?

Thanks in advance!

I'll would go the bottom 3 and with an IBU of 50, and using jw pils, I would think a little more munich or malt from somewhere, what mash temp are you considering.

if chilling

5 IBU at 60 one high AA hop

15 at 30 citra and centeniul equal (7.5 ibu each)

15 at 10 all 3 equal (5 ibu each)

10 at 5 all 3 equal

same amount at flameout/whirlpool as above (should give you 5 ibu)

20g, of each dry

 

[maldridge]

Thanks for the advice. I was thinking of mashing around 67. I could bump up the Munich to maybe 5%? It would seem the colour I'm after will be spot on at this level.

I might stick with the three C's as you mentioned and leave the galaxy for another day.

 

[pressure_tested]

I don't know from a lot of experience but agree that you would probably want some more malty flavours in there


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[maldridge]

Only reason I decided on my grain bill was because it was mentioned early on in this thread that hop hog uses ~97.5% bb galaxy malt (I subbed in JW pilsner) and 2.5% munich I.

Any suggestions to the malts?

 

[krausenhaus]

If it were me, I would consider using 50-60% Maris Otter as the base malt to put some balls behind the hops, with the rest pale/pils and 2-3% crystal for colour if desired.

Other opinions will likely differ though.

 

[maldridge]

Thanks for the tip mate, I will try out a grain bill with some MO as well.

MXD, I tried punching in your suggested hop additions into beersmith, and it seems like an awful lot of hops! Especially with mostly late additions ... Is it possible to up the earlier additions slightly to save on having to buy more hops?? Will I still get the aroma and flavour ? I'll post my updated recipe tomorrow when I'm back at my comp.

 

[BeerNess]

Thanks for the tip mate, I will try out a grain bill with some MO as well.

MXD, I tried punching in your suggested hop additions into beersmith, and it seems like an awful lot of hops! Especially with mostly late additions ... Is it possible to up the earlier additions slightly to save on having to buy more hops?? Will I still get the aroma and flavour ? I'll post my updated recipe tomorrow when I'm back at my comp.
if you put the hops in earlier you loose a lot of the aromatics and get more bittering. IPA is a very hop heavy style, only way to get the flavors for the style is by using metric f&@k tons of hops.

 

[pressure_tested]

Yeah the more early hops you put in the more late hops should go in too. It's a balancing act. Ibu should suit the amount of alcohol (specific gravity) and flavour aroma hops should balance it all so that it doesn't taste super bitter.


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[maldridge]

So here's what I'm going with.

BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Hop Hog Clone
Style: American IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Boil Size: 58.04 l
Post Boil Volume: 53.04 l
Batch Size (fermenter): 50.00 l
Bottling Volume: 50.00 l
Estimated OG: 1.059 SG
Estimated Color: 12.7 EBC
Estimated IBU: 50.0 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 69.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 70.4 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes
Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
2.50 tbsp PH 5.2 Stabilizer (Mash 60.0 mins) Water Agent 1 -
6.64 kg Pilsner, Malt Craft Export (Joe White) ( Grain 2 49.0 %
6.50 kg Pale Malt, Maris Otter (5.9 EBC) Grain 3 48.0 %
0.42 kg Caramunich I (Weyermann) (100.5 EBC) Grain 4 3.1 %
15.69 g Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 9.2 IBUs
20.92 g Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 30.0 min Hop 6 7.9 IBUs
17.47 g Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 30.0 min Hop 7 7.9 IBUs
1.00 Items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 mins) Fining 8 -
53.35 g Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 9 5.2 IBUs
29.29 g Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 10 5.2 IBUs
24.58 g Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 11 5.2 IBUs
57.53 g Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 12 3.1 IBUs
32.43 g Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 13 3.2 IBUs
26.67 g Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 14 3.1 IBUs
55.00 g Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 15 0.0 IBUs
31.00 g Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 16 0.0 IBUs
25.00 g Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 17 0.0 IBUs
1.3 pkg American Ale II (Wyeast Labs #1272) [124 Yeast 18 -
20.00 g Cascade [5.50 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 19 0.0 IBUs
20.00 g Centennial [10.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 20 0.0 IBUs
20.00 g Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 21 0.0 IBUs

Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body
Total Grain Weight: 13.55 kg
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Name Description Step Tempera Step Time
Mash In Add 37.34 l of water at 72.8 C 66.7 C 60 min
Mash Out Add 19.79 l of water at 94.6 C 75.6 C 10 min

Sparge: Batch sparge with 2 steps (Drain mash tun, , 16.48l) of 75.6 C water
Notes:
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[ian4379]

i've been trying to figure out a no chill version. my 5th AG, 1st no chill, cheapo stove-top method.

i'm still trying to get my head around the no-chill additions and how to balance out the hops in general, so i thought it best to ask for some advice this time around.

here's what i have from brewmate, no chill ticked:

23 ltr batch

5000gm jw pilsner
250gm caramunich
250gm carapils
us-05 yeast

citra 15 gms 40 mins - 24.35 ibu
amarillo 15 gms 0mins - 5.71 ibu
centennial 15gms 0mins - 6.05 ibu
cascade 15gms 0 mins - 4.57 ibu
citra 15gms 0 mins - 9.14 ibu

total ibu: 49.8, close enough to the 50 i was aiming for.

my question is since i've treated my 15 minute chilled additions as 0 minutes no chilled, do i then need to cube hop 20 minutes later to simulate a chilled flameout addition? and how much hops should i dry hop?

 

[fletcher]

you could if you like but i reckon just dry hop from there. perhaps about 3g/L for a big heavy IPA like that.

citra is amazing dry hopped at those big levels.

 

[ian4379]

would you go all citra dry hopped pr a mix of those 4?

 

[fletcher]

would you go all citra dry hopped pr a mix of those 4?

i'd either have it on its own because i LOVE the citra aroma, or just pairing it with one of the others. i love that signature citra aroma up front, then having my tastes explore the differences of hops i've used mid-boil. personally i'd just use citra but it's entirely up to you mate

 

[jkmeldrum]

Just drinking a hop hog from the bottle now. Just bought some with the new label, so know it must be pretty fresh. Aroma gives me a big slap in the face of mango. Even my 10 yr old daughter said, "mango" when I asked her what my beer smelt like. So I would have to say that there is definitely Citra in there because that tends to give a definite mango flavour from what I have experienced! Not sure of other hops that give mango though. Love this beer, so maldridge, would love to know how yours is going?

 

[sponge]

I get a big whack of mango from Stella hops but don't believe they are used in HH IPA..

Might not have helped too much in regards to the actual recipe, but good to know if wanting to add some hints of mango to a brew.

 

[Phoney]

There's lots of recipes in this thread,but little to no tasting reports. Has anyone nailed this one yet?

 

[ian4379]

i only brewed mine yesterday, will report back when i bottle

 

[maldridge]

Alright sorry to keep everyone waiting. Thought we'd lost interest! I've polished off the keg with a few mates and I've got a few bottles stored away which I'll be cracking soon (don't want to wait too long, don't wanna miss out on the amazing aroma).

So my attempt was by far the best beer I've made (I'm a big IPA fan). It's certainly not spot on as a hop hog 'clone', but it's still an amazing IPA. The only thing I'd change next time is probably go harder on the dry hopping.

I split the batch, fermented half with 1272, and cubed the other half. I just started fermenting the other half with Wyeast West Coast IPA 1217 yeast, which is a limited run I think, so looking forward to checking out this batch in a couple of weeks and comparing with the other that I have bottled.

Enjoy.

Here's my recipe.

Style: American IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Boil Size: 58.04 l
Post Boil Volume: 53.04 l
Batch Size (fermenter): 50.00 l
Bottling Volume: 50.00 l
Estimated OG: 1.059 SG
Estimated Color: 12.7 EBC
Estimated IBU: 50.0 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 69.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 70.4 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes
Ingredients:
------------
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
2.50 tbsp PH 5.2 Stabilizer (Mash 60.0 mins) Water Agent 1 -
6.64 kg Pilsner, Malt Craft Export (Joe White) ( Grain 2 49.0 %
6.50 kg Pale Malt, Maris Otter (5.9 EBC) Grain 3 48.0 %
0.42 kg Caramunich I (Weyermann) (100.5 EBC) Grain 4 3.1 %
15.69 g Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 9.2 IBUs
20.92 g Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 30.0 min Hop 6 7.9 IBUs
17.47 g Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 30.0 min Hop 7 7.9 IBUs
1.00 Items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 mins) Fining 8 -
53.35 g Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 9 5.2 IBUs
29.29 g Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 10 5.2 IBUs
24.58 g Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 11 5.2 IBUs
57.53 g Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 12 3.1 IBUs
32.43 g Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 13 3.2 IBUs
26.67 g Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 14 3.1 IBUs
55.00 g Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 15 0.0 IBUs
31.00 g Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 16 0.0 IBUs
25.00 g Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 17 0.0 IBUs
1.3 pkg American Ale II (Wyeast Labs #1272) [124 Yeast 18 -
20.00 g Cascade [5.50 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 19 0.0 IBUs
20.00 g Centennial [10.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 20 0.0 IBUs
20.00 g Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 21 0.0 IBUs

Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body
Total Grain Weight: 13.55 kg
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Name Description Step Tempera Step Time
Mash In Add 37.34 l of water at 72.8 C 66.7 C 60 min
Mash Out Add 19.79 l of water at 94.6 C 75.6 C 10 min

Sparge: Batch sparge with 2 steps (Drain mash tun, , 16.48l) of 75.6 C water

 

[Middo]

Hi Guys,

I'm going to have a go at making a clone of this and being only my 4th brew and 1st time I've used Brew Smith I'm trying to find some substitute malt as the Joe White Pilsner isn't a stock item carried by CraftBrewer (site sponsor).

I was looking to do something similar to the recipe above on a 23ltr batch BIAB with chiller. I'm going to try the 4 hops Citra, Cascade, Centennial & Amarillo.... mostly late additions with 100g in the urn and 100g dry hopped.

If anyone has any suggestions on the malt to use I'd like to know... I'm going to have a go anyway myself and will post up the recipe when I'm done.

 

[slcmorro]

Any Pils should still get you a pretty close result mate. JW Pils etc.

 

[Middo]

I had a go and this is the result I came up with using beersmith2, I have most of these hops already except for Amarillo though I'll get some of this with the grain order.

If anyone would recommend changing any of this please share. I'm going to order the grain tomorrow, doing a double batch this weekend with snpa being the other. I realise the magnum probably shouldn't be there but I figured the late additions from the core 4 should really bring out the aromas and tastes and well, magnum is pretty clean bittering so shouldn't really change things much.

Hogging Hops IPA
American IPA (14 B)
Type: All Grain
Batch Size: 23.50 l
Boil Size: 27.00 l
Boil Time: 60 min
End of Boil Vol: 23.50 l
Final Bottling Vol: 23.50 l
Fermentation: Ale, Single Stage
Date: 06 Jan 2014
Brewer: Adam M
Asst Brewer:
Equipment: BIAB 40LT URN
Efficiency: 70.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 70.0 %
Taste Rating: 30.0
Taste Notes:
Ingredients
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
6.00 kg Pilsner (Weyermann) (3.3 EBC) Grain 1 88.2 %
0.50 kg Caramunich I (Weyermann) (100.5 EBC) Grain 2 7.4 %
0.30 kg Carafoam (Weyermann) (3.9 EBC) Grain 3 4.4 %
20.00 g Magnum [12.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 4 24.6 IBUs
10.00 g Amarillo [9.20 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 5 4.7 IBUs
10.00 g Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 6 2.8 IBUs
10.00 g Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 7 5.1 IBUs
10.00 g Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 8 6.1 IBUs
15.00 g Amarillo [9.20 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 9 2.8 IBUs
15.00 g Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 10 3.1 IBUs
10.00 g Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 11 1.1 IBUs
10.00 g Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 12 2.5 IBUs
1.0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) [50.28 ml] Yeast 13 -
25.00 g Amarillo [9.20 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 14 0.0 IBUs
25.00 g Cascade [5.50 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 15 0.0 IBUs
25.00 g Centennial [10.00 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 16 0.0 IBUs
25.00 g Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 17 0.0 IBUs
Gravity, Alcohol Content and Color
Est Original Gravity: 1.064 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.017 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 6.1 %
Bitterness: 52.7 IBUs
Est Color: 17.0 EBC
Measured Original Gravity: 1.046 SG
Measured Final Gravity: 1.010 SG
Actual Alcohol by Vol: 4.7 %
Calories: 427.1 kcal/l
Mash Profile
Mash Name: BIAB, Full Body
Sparge Water: 0.00 l
Sparge Temperature: 75.6 C
Adjust Temp for Equipment: TRUE
Total Grain Weight: 6.80 kg
Grain Temperature: 22.2 C
Tun Temperature: 22.2 C
Mash PH: 5.20
Mash Steps
Name Description Step Temperature Step Time
Saccharification Add 31.16 l of water at 73.7 C 68.9 C 60 min
Mash Out Heat to 75.6 C over 7 min 75.6 C 10 min

Sparge: If steeping, remove grains, and prepare to boil wort
Mash Notes: Brew in a bag method where the full boil volume is mashed within the boil vessel and then the grains are withdrawn at the end of the mash. No active sparging is required. This is a full body beer profile.
Carbonation and Storage
Carbonation Type: Keg
Pressure/Weight: 67.02 KPA
Keg/Bottling Temperature: 4.0 C
Fermentation: Ale, Single Stage
Volumes of CO2: 2.3
Carbonation Used: Keg with 67.02 KPA
Age for: 30.00 days
Storage Temperature: 18.3 C
Notes
Created with BeerSmith

 

[Middo]

Oh and ignore the mash steps, these have been corrected to 60 Min sachirifacation target temp 65c after infusion.

 

[carniebrew]

You're a bit over on both ABV and IBU for a Hop Hog clone, but it still looks balanced. Looking again at Feral's description though:

We add a heavy dose of American Hops during both during the boil and late in the fermenting stage to give Hop Hog a strong pine needle and citrus aroma

There's plenty of citrus, but where's the "pine needle" coming from in your hop schedule?

 

[Middo]

That's probably the Simcoe that I'm missing from this recipe.... I could always throw some of that in at the dry hopping stage. Just need to get a pound or two of that in my store.,,, A few posts back it was said Amarillo and Simcoe where the only hops that were swapped, with Simcoe used when Amarillo wasn't available.

I also wanted to brew something a little stronger than the typical Hop Hog... figure that might slow me down and stop be polishing it off as quickly as I do the real thing. I smashed 4 cartons of this over xmas break, can't get enough of it.

 

[Middo]

I brewed this up yesterday, I added Chinook at the 15 min and 5 min boil to try and get some of that pine flavour/aroma (cut Magnum in half to 10g @60min boil), same amounts as the other 4.. my OG rating came up 1.070 with 73.3 efficiency.

Was a bit of a drama filled day... pretty much everything that could did go wrong, water filter dramas, fermenter had mould in it from sitting in the fridge which was turned off, then when I went to boil up the wort the crown urn kept tripping the power. It's new and only on its 4th brew... Ended up taking the kettle up to another circuit point which the main house is connected to and turned it on and the light kept flickering on the urn but didn't trip and after a while it went solid. When it did trip down in the brewery I heard an electrical short sound but no smell... oh well, back in the brewery again today doing a different batch, an SNPA byo clone recipe base with chinook and citra 15 grams each at 5 min boil and will add the same at dry hopping with 30 grams of cascade.

Happy Days!

Kegs are empty after xmas / new years so more brewing again next weekend!

 

[menoetes]

Hey Guys,

I love this beer to and I know a guy spends a lot of time knocking out clone recipes for his LHBS. He's got a nose for it and usually pretty damn close to the real thing (I've done his S&W and LCPA and both were spot on for me). He made an extract recipe, so I can't help out on the grain bill but his hops sound solid.

He told me that he uses Cascade, Galaxy and Citra (in that order) in the boil and dry hops with Simcoe. Having said that, I haven't tried this recipe yet and can't say for sure how it turns out but I trust this guys taste-buds.

It'll probably be my next brew.