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Read the rest of the other thread Darren. You'll see my further response, instead of taking it out of context the way you have.

Interesting that you are prepared to make such comments too.

I have no control over what people say about other HBS's and I certainly have not and do not offer discounts to make comments one way or another. I don't have time for that - simple. Suggesting that I do is slander.
 
Read the rest of the other thread Darren. You'll see my further response, instead of taking it out of context the way you have.

Interesting that you are prepared to make such comments too.

I have no control over what people say about other HBS's and I certainly have not and do not offer discounts to make comments one way or another. I don't have time for that - simple. Suggesting that I do is slander.

Old (ish) Internet saying: Do not feed the troll/sociopath. (The latter is my own addition but seems to fit in this instance.)

Hopefully, someone will delete this thread so AHB is not lessened by its existence.
 
I deal with wayne quite a lot and he always give a no bull response to my questions, i and im sure others understand that his per kg price is like that because he needs to make some sort of profit and even then its usually a better p/kg price than his competitors. This forum gets way to bit*#y some times
 
Wayne, Wayne, your website lists Joe White Pale malt at $3.80/kg. Thats $96 for 25 kg, unless you are suggesting that a new brewer should purchase a crushed 25 kg sack??

I maintain as I did in my original post that buying a mill and malt in bulk is the best way to make savings to upgrade/buy new equipment.


cheers

Darren


arent most shops generally dearer to buy things buy the kilo , i know where i used to buy grain in sydney they had a kilo price and a 5 kilo price and so on so obviously its going to be cheaper if you buy the whole bag ....

take a reality check darren , obviously some retailer has dfone you wrong somewhere along the line and now your shitting on everyone ... theses guys dont make as much money as you may believe ...


NOW LETS GET THIS BACK ON TOPIC AND START HELPIN damien44 SORT OUT HIS GEAR AND GET HIO BREWING BETTER BEERS MORE OFTEN...

perhaps a mod could have a word to darren re his constant negativity and abuse of others on the forum ...
 
arent most shops generally dearer to buy things buy the kilo , i know where i used to buy grain in sydney they had a kilo price and a 5 kilo price and so on so obviously its going to be cheaper if you buy the whole bag ....


Yes they are normally dearer by the kilo....thats the way it is....

ALL of the HBS I have ever dealt with ALWAYS had a per Kg price higher than the full sack price...

Go to the bottle shop and buy some beer...ever noticed that 1 stubbie is $3.50, a six pack is $14 and a carton is $42....what person would buy 24 stubbies at $3.50.....and sometimes you only really want 1 stubbie......

You need to have a think about that bit :excl:
 
Yes they are normally dearer by the kilo....thats the way it is....

ALL of the HBS I have ever dealt with ALWAYS had a per Kg price higher than the full sack price...

Go to the bottle shop and buy some beer...ever noticed that 1 stubbie is $3.50, a six pack is $14 and a carton is $42....what person would buy 24 stubbies at $3.50.....and sometimes you only really want 1 stubbie......

You need to have a think about that bit :excl:


true tru ducati stu , regardless of the product the more you buy of it generally the cheaper it becomes ....
 
Beerbelly (AKA Wayne),

Thanks for the abusive phone call and perhaps you should have read the title of the site where you are posting. Its a hobby site mate!!

Glad to hear that Cryer malt has entrusted you with the knowledge, know-how and stability to provide customer satisfaction within the South Australian homebrewing community. I wish you the best of luck and hope you can live up to what has gone before you. I predict he will be disappointed!!

Finally, this site has become so "retailcentric" with an increasing amount of information being posted here that is no longer of any benefit to open minded HOMEBREWERS. I wonder how long before the old retail line "grain is a waste of time" comes along from some of the sponsors and I therefore refuse to contribute further to this forum.

cheers

Darren
 
Back OT then:

"vessel" 50L - FREE x 2
Mush Tun - What, $150 ish..
Taps for said vessels - $100
Element for one to be HLT - $50
Burner for other vessel to be kettle - $100
CUBE for no chill - $15
Odds and ends - $50

Taking SWMBO out for a nice dinner the rest ;)

MO!

Cocko.
 
Beerbelly (AKA Wayne),

Thanks for the abusive phone call and perhaps you should have read the title of the site where you are posting. Its a hobby site mate!!

Glad to hear that Cryer malt has entrusted you with the knowledge, know-how and stability to provide customer satisfaction within the South Australian homebrewing community. I wish you the best of luck and hope you can live up to what has gone before you. I predict he will be disappointed!!

Finally, this site has become so "retailcentric" with an increasing amount of information being posted here that is no longer of any benefit to open minded HOMEBREWERS. I wonder how long before the old retail line "grain is a waste of time" comes along from some of the sponsors and I therefore refuse to contribute further to this forum.

cheers

Darren

Why don't you ******* preempt it then
 
dont bother getting fired up over this guy p&c almost every post ive ever read of his has been negative and downputting of someone or something , in general from what ive seen AHB and the general brewing community will probably be better off without his input anyway...
 
I would go for the 3 vessel/mill system and leave the kegging till later.

Once you start making extra tasty AG, the beer does not last long at all. It is a pain washing bottles but you can always drink it straight out of secondary if you don't want to wash bottles.

cheers
johnno
 
...and I therefore refuse to contribute further to this forum.
Sounds like a pretty good plan.

Now, back on topic. I think Cocko's gear list sounds really good. The only thing I would change is getting 2-3 cubes instead of one. If I were building my setup again, I would've used kegs as well.
 
and in buying the cube you could pay a bit more and get one that has a fresh wort kit inside it too... ,

my setup is made with kegs , currently doing a re design to incorporate a march pump and a heat exchange for a rims/herms type arrangement

hunt around a lot of the stuff can be sourced cheaplyor found to get things together all depends on how much of a hurry you are in ...
 
+2 for more cubes, one of the cheapest, and yet most versatile, bits of kit you can get. I think 3 is probably the magic number.

On mills (very tentatively :unsure: )

A mill is a good bit of kit to have. I have a mill. But do I need one? Short answer is no. As has been said, good hbs will mill for you: yes, even a whole sack. The whole "will it store or will it stale if it is cracked?" is a whole other debate, which I won't get into here. So basically, if you want to buy in bulk, do you need a mill? Short answer to that is (imho, and without opening that debate in this thread or expressing an opinion on it): If you believe cracked grain will store without staling for the length of time it will take to use it- no. If you believe cracked grain will not store without staling before you need to use it - yes.

Incidently, just so you know, my decision to buy a mill was not influenced by the storage debate. The 3 main reasons were that a) I wanted a mill for uses other than brewing (ie flour), and I roast my own malt, and therefore need to have my grain whole to be able to do this. and c) I wanted the flexibility of being able to have my grain milled to different specifications per batch, if required, and change on the fly to best tweak the performance of my particular setup.

As I think someone else already pointed out, when making your purchases of essentials, think ahead to how you can incorporate non essentials. It's referred to as "modular thinking" in various trades. (such as IT....."if I get this motherboard with this amount of RAM because it's all I can afford, will that motherboard take more RAM when I can better afford it, or will I have to get a new motherboard when I update?")

And whilst I'm doing (another) long post; in relation to the retailers.....I have had dealings with 3 of the retailers who on this site. As far as the financial side of the transactions is concerned, I was very satisfied. (And I'm part yorkie, part scot. Which means that I will squeeze a penny tight enough that my palms bleed.) As far as the customer service of these 3 retailers is concerned, they were all excellent. I have never found retailers in any other industry to be so helpful as in brewing. Ever. For a retailer to spend time on a forum like this makes good business sense, as it builds a lot of goodwill. However, the retailers on here go well beyond goodwill with the amount of time and effort they make to post, helping anyone who asks, customer or not, without question. And thats not even going into brew demos, etc......
Sorry about the rather long-ish OT part of this...... :(

Edit: spelling. My fingers are drunk.
 
Quite a bit of stuff in this thread reminds me of a bloke that used to post in another {now defunct} forum.
Locky, I think his name was.
Anyway,............................. :D
 
Before i put my 2 c in as to how to spend your money Damian, i have to ask you a question first.

Are you a handyman? Or are you, like me, a tool retard who cant distinguish one end of the hammer from another (and they let me do what for a living?).

If its the 2nd answer than i can recommend you buy the bits you need from one of the retailers on this forum. I did and its enabled me to get into AG brewing the second i had the cash to do so without spending far too long trying to figure out how to construct the bits you need. If i had tried to build my brewery myself i would still be trying.

So here's my 2 c.

An esky. A false bottom or braid. a pot to boil in and something to heat water in. A chiller of some sort.

I would vote for a chiller well before a grain mill. But then i was lucky enough to drive past Grumpys every day while the HB shop still existed and Brad and Voosher were happy to mill my grain for me (****, i mentioned a retailers name). Chatting to them over a beer while they crushed my grain was more than worth the extra few $$ it cost me. Dealing with and picking the brains of reputable HB retailers who understand AG brewing is priceless.

I actually got kegs before i went AG but would rather bottle AG beers than keg kit beer........... :D

$600 when you already have a pot and an esky is easily enough to get you brewing AG this weekend.

:icon_offtopic: so whose going to help me slay these no chillers now thats Darrens gone. i cant be the only scientist on here who has an issue with it?
 
No chill for life! Plus, I can put the cubes in bed to warm it up before I get in. mmmbeer
 
:icon_offtopic: so whose going to help me slay these no chillers now thats Darrens gone. i cant be the only scientist on here who has an issue with it?

Apparently you are.

Do you also have issues with commercial hot packed wort?
 
My main concern with no-chill is how much of the plastics leach in to the wort, especially with it being at hot temperatures for so long. That was the first thing my wife asked when she saw me filling them! (Sorry, totally off-topic, but I guess this thread is wacky enough any way...)
 
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