Goodbye Bronwyn

[wobbly]

That's why Bromwyn went by Helicopter, she couldn't afford to travel by train with train drives being paid in excess of twice the average weekly wage of $1136 ($69,000 per year)

Wobbly

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

$69k

Better get my shit together

 

[manticle]

I suppose we should only believe the rags you read.

Great riposte.
I don't form my opinions based on rags but please feel free to defend a source that is well known for bias, distortion of facts and cheap, populist rubbish. I'd probably suggest similar for socialist alliance paper if that helps.

Many years ago, when I was at art school, I used to collect bizarre, obviously ridiculous articles from papers like weekly world news. If you believe 'bat boy found alive in cave', you need medical help.
Funniest thing was that next to the bizarre' farmer shoots 10 foot moth' or 'chupacabra captured alive' articles was always one or two articles replicated in the HS or some of the more mainstream uk tabloids that idiots actually give credence to. Shakespeare may have smoked pot. Or not.

It's not about what I read. Look at the information provided, examine its sources and biases and ask if its reasonable, justified, believable or ultimately true. That patently is not and the simplest google search suggests as much.
140k. In whose world?

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Thank **** that Newscorp papers are not the media arm of the LNP....

The great unwashed would never survive

 

[manticle]

Not true. All iron ore trains in the Pilbara have a driver on board, however there are driverless trucks and drill rigs at both Rio and BHPB controlled from a central control center located in Perth.

And as to wages check this out http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-30/are-train-drivers-in-the-Pilbara-the-highest-paid-in-the-world/5029012 for some drivers reportedly working a 42 hour week for a take home pay of $240,000, with a yard driver earning on average $145,000 per year and those figures were for back in 2013 Imagine what they are on now/today

Wobbly

I missed how that had anything to do with metro melbourne drivers.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Apples & Peaches

 

[manticle]

Highly trained??

Do you mean they do a 4 day course over a 3 day course?

If these figures are true then I'm barracking for Metro......Shameful

Based on actual knowledge of what's required for a train driver or pulled from your arse?
Pretty sure there are some massive exams over several months required to be qualified driver and the intake vs hopefuls is very small.

The kind of cost cutting, profit pushing, people ******* system you seem to support is what drives 3 day training course qualifications for dangerous machinery operation.

 

[butisitart]

'

If you believe 'bat boy found alive in cave', you need medical help.

'bat boy found alive in cave' were true. it were reported by professionals. how can you be so cynical??
if you want garbage, try and read 'That's LIfe'.
i were standing in the woolies queue today and i noticed a 'That's Life' headlining 'My fiancee is a stalker, wedding off'. i thought 'jeez, lucky MY missus never noticed.' h34r:

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Based on actual knowledge of what's required for a train driver or pulled from your arse?
Pretty sure there are some massive exams over many months required to be s teain driver and the intake vs hopefuls is very small.

The kind of cost cutting, profit pushing, people ******* system you seem to support is what drives 3 day training course qualifications for dangerous machinery operation.

I can honestly say that the aforementioned poster knows **** all about what it takes to be a train driver

His comments deserve to be flushed down the shit house

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

'

'bat boy found alive in cave' were true. it were reported by professionals. how can you be so cynical??
if you want garbage, try and read 'That's LIfe'.
i were standing in the woolies queue today and i noticed a 'That's Life' headlining 'My fiancee is a stalker, wedding off'. i thought 'jeez, lucky MY missus never noticed.' h34r:

Yes, but it must be true. Its ..well....true

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Highly trained??

Do you mean they do a 4 day course over a 3 day course?

If these figures are true then I'm barracking for Metro......Shameful

You really are an uneducated individual who knows **** all about what you are talking about

**** off back back to your box

 

[manticle]

Stu - please modify the language.
I know it's easy to get emotive and I am guilty of this multiple times.
As a mod who has participated in this thread a fair bit, I don't want to moderate posts due to actual or perceived bias.

Please try and keep civil, same goes for anyone else including me.

**** off is not a civil phrase, please refrain from using it again.

 

[Burt de Ernie]

Based on actual knowledge of what's required for a train driver or pulled from your arse?
Pretty sure there are some massive exams over several months required to be qualified driver and the intake vs hopefuls is very small.

The kind of cost cutting, profit pushing, people ******* system you seem to support is what drives 3 day training course qualifications for dangerous machinery operation.

Your right...I have no idea what it takes to be a train driver but I'm pretty sure there is no educational requirement.

You pull me up about pulling shit from my arse then in the same sentence you do exactly the same.

The point is, even if it takes months it is low skilled.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Sorry manticle

I just took offense at someone who knows very little about the subject ( train drivers ) he was going,on about

I can handle having a dig, but when people think they can have a shot at those who are actually highly trained I will take offence

I am the same if some knob comes in and say's they know how to wire a house because they watched a 10min youtube clip

I will not, ever, be apologetic to those who do not know the facts of someones trade or skill

Politics are a different matter

But yes, I do respect your need to tell me to pull my head in

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Your right...I have no idea what it takes to be a train driver but I'm pretty sure there is no educational requirement.

You pull me up about pulling shit from my arse then in the same sentence you do exactly the same.

The point is, even if it takes months it is low skilled.

Low skilled...your shitting me. You ignorant....^%$#

 

[manticle]

@burt: It was a separate sentence and based on reading as opposed to totally made up (which even checking the metro training academy website would show your assessment to be). What do you consider defines a skill? I don't believe a monkey can drive a train nor an untrained 15 yo. If you require training to carry out a task, presumably you are skilled. Might be different levels of skills involved but driving a forklift, plane or semi trailer all require levels of training, qualifications and dare I say: skills. Why not a train?

Not sure what 'no educational requirement' means. So you mean there's no phD thesis you can submit on 'post structuralist interpretation of contemporary state funded rail based personnel movement from a socio-machiavellan/foucaultian perspective incorporating Lacanaian modifiers'?

If you need to sit a course and a test, that is education.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Go drive a train then .It pretty easy


http://oceanofgames.com/microsoft-train-simulator-free-download/


When you done, let me know when you want to fly a plane

 

[Burt de Ernie]

You really are an uneducated individual who knows **** all about what you are talking about

**** off back back to your box

Stu, you have made a number of good points in this thread none of which had the pointless venom of this comment so at this stage I think it prudent that you enlighten us all as to the train driver procurement process.

I would imagine that is something that only the top 95% of Aussies would be meet the performance criteria. I'm just saying.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

I very rarely make venomous points

You did well to get one out of me

Please do not patronise me

 

[Camo6]

Isn't the main reason the drivers are striking due to the attempt to de-skill their profession? It's not a 3 day course but their employers would like it to be. Easier qualifications means a larger workforce resulting in more competition and lower wages. Jeez, there's that recurring theme again. This union propaganda is widespread, yeah?