Goodbye Bronwyn

[Ducatiboy stu]

All Metro is wanting to do is bringing Melbourne into line with the rest of Europe, that is how they run over there.

I didnt know Victoria was a member of the EU.....

 

[goomboogo]

What was Manticle saying yesterday about damned statistics. They can say anything a person wants them to say.

On this occasion it has nothing to do with statistical interpretation. It's about a limited understanding of basic principles. Often, this eventuates from an inability to see the forest for the trees.

 

[Bridges]

WTF Listen to the train drivers! I don't want poorly trained and poorly rested drivers in my trains. When they start falling asleep and killing people we'll all be happy that Metro saved a few dollars.

 

[manticle]

As long as mine keeps spiraling up I`ll be fine......

If you have no care for others, I hope you don't expect anyone to care about you.

As if train drivers get 140 k a year on average. A donkey can see that's total bollocks.

 

[Airgead]

The wealth of a society comes overwhelmingly from one single source--the ability of enterprising people to look to the future and see the opportunity to make profits (an evil concept to socialists).

Ummm... no. Nothing wrong with profits. Profits are good. All we ask is that you don't make profits at the expense of others. Don't underpay workers, don't skimp on their conditions so you can make a few extra bucks. Give those who work for you a fair slice of the pie. Sure your slice can be bigger (its your business after all) but not so big that others suffer.

And to whoever said that wages are spiralling out of control.. actually no. Wage growth is currently at 2.5%... the lowest in about 20 years. And its been declining steadily since the 90s. Anyone who says otherwise is just trying to increase their share of the pie at the expense of others.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

Automated trains aren't that far away, safer too apparently, so the train drivers better make the most of it.

http://nwrail.transport.nsw.gov.au/The-Project/Sydney-Metro-network

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Its no secret that driverless trains are coming. They already use them in the Pilbara.

The interlocking and safeworking ( which are actually government legislation ) in metro areas is a little bit more complex, Its the same as when they bought in computer based interlocking to replace mechanical interlocking. Looked great on paper, the reality was a little bit different

They even have driverless trucks in the EU ( the EU that is not in Australia )

There is nothing wrong with technology and progress

 

[goomboogo]

I was the person who made the comment about wages spiralling out of control. It was a joke. It was said ironically. I just don't like to use emoticons.

 

[Burt de Ernie]

WTF Listen to the train drivers! I don't want poorly trained and poorly rested drivers in my trains. When they start falling asleep and killing people we'll all be happy that Metro saved a few dollars.

Train drivers sleep at the wheel?

 

[Burt de Ernie]

If you have no care for others, I hope you don't expect anyone to care about you.

As if train drivers get 140 k a year on average. A donkey can see that's total bollocks.

I`ve yet to hear about the train drivers striking to increase managers conditions........

In your mind what is a train driver worth?

 

[wide eyed and legless]

Ummm... no. Nothing wrong with profits. Profits are good. All we ask is that you don't make profits at the expense of others. Don't underpay workers, don't skimp on their conditions so you can make a few extra bucks. Give those who work for you a fair slice of the pie. Sure your slice can be bigger (its your business after all) but not so big that others suffer.

And to whoever said that wages are spiralling out of control.. actually no. Wage growth is currently at 2.5%... the lowest in about 20 years. And its been declining steadily since the 90s. Anyone who says otherwise is just trying to increase their share of the pie at the expense of others.

Profits are good, and anyone running a business who underpays workers and skimps on conditions will fall foul of that old adage pay peanuts and you will get monkeys, employees should have to refrain from wanting to big a slice of the pie also, or else there will be no pie left.

 

[manticle]

Average national wage for train drivers is under 100k (80-90 roughly from what I can find). Depends a bit on where, how long you've been doing it, etc but to suggest train drivers are all on 140k is ludicrous.

Not suggesting 80+ isn't a decent wage, above average and above mine.

 

[madpierre06]

Profits are good, and anyone running a business who underpays workers and skimps on conditions will fall foul of that old adage pay peanuts and you will get monkeys, employees should have to refrain from wanting to big a slice of the pie also, or else there will be no pie left.

Agreed....under normal conditions. However, the 'labour market' has been manipulated to the point where even very capable and excellent workers are being forced to squabble for peanuts as thatr is all that is left in most circumstances. And this has been a very deliberate policy. Not much pie left these days, and now we have imported monkeys to compete with as well who are more than happy to dine on peanuts.

I saw the term 'labour force report' the other day...I recall a couple regimes in the mid 40's had labour forces as well.

 

[Burt de Ernie]

Average national wage for train drivers is under 100k (80-90 roughly from what I can find). Depends a bit on where, how long you've been doing it, etc but to suggest train drivers are all on 140k is ludicrous.

Not suggesting 80+ isn't a decent wage, above average and above mine.

The 140k number was apparently "leaked". Other than what has been posted here, I have no idea on what they are paid however, for my mind I would have thought that 80k for what I believe is equivalent to unskilled work is well over paid. I would imagine this is due to a unionized industry.

I guess this is one of the reasons is more cost effective to buy, run and maintain a new car for the use of commuting than use public transport.

 

[madpierre06]

At the moment I have been forced to manage because I needed to justify the pay increase that I wanted.

Edit: Mind you I have to deal with a poor life work balance but hey....that the trade off I guess.

I would actually think that your work performance and what value you bring to the business would be justification for a pay increase, having to do extra work to justify it means there is no real value raise. Still, that's your call to make and I have no right to judge you for that.

And for me, I don't see a valid point in eating pie if there's no joy in sharing it with my family. I'd rather have peanuts, learn to be gateful that I have something to eat, and REALLY enjoy a nice piece of pie when I'm blessed enough to have some on the plate. And also be working towards helping others are are actually lucky to get peanuts, and be able to have cashew pie for myself when I'm qualified.

 

[Bridges]

Train drivers sleep at the wheel?

Only if forced to work unreasonably long shifts...

 

[Airgead]

I was the person who made the comment about wages spiralling out of control. It was a joke. It was said ironically. I just don't like to use emoticons.

Fair enough. After 72 pages of posts that should have been ironic but were actually intended seriously... my irony meter is a little off.

And to whoever suggested that train driving is unskilled work... you can have an unskilled train driver. I'll take a highly skilled, well trained train/bus/plane driver any day.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Train drivers sleep at the wheel?

Its actually very difficult for a train driver to fall asleep at the wheel. They have a number of interlocking features like deadmans pedal, acknowledge bell every 5-10 mins and automatic emergency braking that cuts in. Trains are actaully very safe.

But the control of a train is very complex. They dont work like a normal truck or car. In fact they tend to work a bit the opposite .

And many a driver has called it quits from accidently killing someone due to suicide or getting stuck on tracks.

 

[malt and barley blues]

Internal Metro documents, seen by the Herald Sun, show that an average driver, who with penalties and allowances is paid $140,000, drives 124km in 3.58 hours and is able to go home, but is still paid for an eight-hour shift.

I'd be pretty knackered if I had to work a 3.58 hour shift. :lol:

 

[Burt de Ernie]

And many a driver has called it quits from accidently killing someone due to suicide or getting stuck on tracks.

I have heard this I and I cant even fathom what this would be like to deal with.