Cheap Crap From Ebay

[kegexpert]

Dear all beer lovers:
We are a manufacturer and supplier of draft beer equipment in China.
I recently noticed that some retailers bought the cheap crap from China but are using the wrong production information to mislead the consumers.Now I would like to reveal the truth

1.keg coupler

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/CUB-Carlton-Draught...A1%7C240%3A1318

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/STEEL-KEG-COUPLER-T...1742.m153.l1262

The keg couplers of the both above retailers(Pinnacle-wholesalers and Brewbeeronline) were from the same Chinese company.Both the retailers says their couplers are of Sankey D type ,for CUB keg,and of the top range

However,at a glimpse of product picture posted on their ebay stores,anyone who is professional in the keg equipment can tell

A.Both their couplers are of European "S" type instead of American Sankey "D" type.
The "S" type keg coupler fits imported Heineken keg but can't match the CUB keg.Only the Sankey D type keg coupler can fit a CUB keg.If you put a European "S" type keg on a Cub keg,the beer can't be dispensed out from the keg.

The S type keg coupler looks very similar to Sankey D type keg coupler,but the probe on the Sankey D type keg coupler is shorter.


B.These keg couplers are made from cheap zink alloy.
At a glimpse of these keg couplers,I definitely make sure that these couplers are made from cheap zink alloy instead of brass.

The draft beer industry in the USA stopped using cheap zink alloy as material for keg coupler many years ago because zink alloy keg coupler leak the Co2 from the keg.Now the keg coupler from Micromatic is made from brass alloy or stainless steel.

C.The seal on the bottom of these couplers is made from cheap non-food grade plastic.After you use these keg couplers for more than 2 months,the plastic seal will crack,and this will also cause the leak of the co2,also,non-food grade plastic will contaminate your beer and harm your health.

2.Regulator
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/CUB-Carlton-Draught...A1%7C240%3A1318

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/BEER-REGULATOR-CO2-...A1%7C240%3A1318

The gas in port on their keg couplers fits a 5/16"(8mm) inner diameter co2 hose
However, the outlet bar on their regulator fits a 5-6mm I.D gas line.
How can the user connect the keg coupler and regulator with a Co2 line.The user will have to desert either the keg coupler or the regulator if he buys the both parts


I don't have a chance to test their products,however,from the picture and description on their ebay store,I can tell they have put wrong production introduction on their ebay store to mislead the consumers

As a serious and dedicated supplier ,we suggest the consumers not to buy the keg equipment from such retailers on ebay.These retailers do not actually realize what they are doing.They are just bluffing with their cheap crap bought from some bad Chinese companies

 

[LethalCorpse]

You are probably, as you say, an expert on kegs and keg equipment, so this forum can benefit from your input and expertise. But please stop making threads and posts with the singular objective of rubbishing your competitors. It's unpleasant, unhelpful and probably illegal. We're quite capable of collectively and individually forming our own opinions on which are good products and suppliers, and which are not. If you provide a superior quality product for a reasonable price, you'll earn our business on your own merits. You don't need to tell us how crap the other guys are in order to do that.

 

[pbrosnan]

You are probably, as you say, an expert on kegs and keg equipment, so this forum can benefit from your input and expertise. But please stop making threads and posts with the singular objective of rubbishing your competitors. It's unpleasant, unhelpful and probably illegal. We're quite capable of collectively and individually forming our own opinions on which are good products and suppliers, and which are not. If you provide a superior quality product for a reasonable price, you'll earn our business on your own merits. You don't need to tell us how crap the other guys are in order to do that.

Actually I found it quite interesting. I doubt it's illegal although the target of the criticism may try to bring an action for defamation but that's a civil matter and thus not a breach of any statute. Having said that there are various Fair Trading Acts across the states which may be of some relevance.
In general I don't find the post "unpleasant" unless you are offended by dodgey English. What I find offensive is the use of the the collective pronoun in phrases such as "We're quite capable of collectively and individually forming our own opinions" that are used to justify what amounts to your personal opinion.
Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[Fermented]

Kegexpert, in all politeness, go away.

Your actions can be construed as a legally questionable under Australian law. You are making statements in a public forum to the detriment of another party. You are taking risks for yourself and your company and giving risks to the owners and participants of this forum quite unjustly.

If you have a gripe with someone on eBay, please keep your argument to eBay and their management. I really don't care about you or your company or your competitor as I certainly wouldn't buy anything from either. I feel that maybe other members of AHB have similar sentiments.

tl;dr sod off.

Cheers - Fermented.

 

[porky]

but he spelled it right :unsure:

 

[Frank]

Kegexpert,
Change your profile to retailer, then show us your goods. I am more than happy to pay for quality. If you keep bagging products, with out showing us your quality alternative, I will be less inclined to ever buy from your company in the future, when we find out who you are associated with.
Boston

 

[LethalCorpse]

Actually I found it quite interesting. I doubt it's illegal although the target of the criticism may try to bring an action for defamation but that's a civil matter and thus not a breach of any statute. Having said that there are various Fair Trading Acts across the states which may be of some relevance.
In general I don't find the post "unpleasant" unless you are offended by dodgey English. What I find offensive is the use of the the collective pronoun in phrases such as "We're quite capable of collectively and individually forming our own opinions" that are used to justify what amounts to your personal opinion.
Just my 2 cents worth.

Orright, we're all capable of forming our own opinions, except for pbrosnan. Anyone else who wants to be removed from this collective statement, slip me a PM - feel free to ask a few other people whether you should first though.


Lose the chip on your shoulder, old son, you're starting to walk lopsided.

 

[pbrosnan]

Orright, we're all capable of forming our own opinions, except for pbrosnan.


Lose the chip on your shoulder, old son, you're starting to walk lopsided.

Fantastic response, remind me to call you when I need a witty riposte. Any way a well informed consumer is an empowered consumer, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Fermented]

+1 for Boston's opinion.

Mods - any chance to intervene? (I feel dirty for asking for a mod - this is such a self-governing forum but commercial nastiness doesn't belong)


Cheers - Fermented.

 

[Fermented]

Fantastic response, remind me to call you when I need a witty riposte. Any way a well informed consumer is an empowered consumer, wouldn't you agree?

Quite right, but this is a statement from a supplier who has no evidence to back up his statements. It is, at best, hearsay.

If you think that the posts of that purveyor empower you as a consumer, I would like to remind you that there is one born every minute and you appear to have been that one and on that minute, if your post was sincere and you were not being either Devil's Advocate or controversial for the sake of being so.

Ever done business in Asia? I hope not... With that opinion it's you, the apple barrel and maybe some lube. Maybe.

Cheers - Fermented.

 

[LethalCorpse]

Fantastic response, remind me to call you when I need a witty riposte. Any way a well informed consumer is an empowered consumer, wouldn't you agree?

Absolutely. However, along with Fermented, boston and, presumably, the mod(s) who siphoned kegexpert's two most recent threads, I believe that that information should come from unbiased sources where possible. Since that's almost never possible, the next best thing is sources which are completely transparent about their biases, and attempt to keep those biases out of their information as much as they can. Kegexpert has at least made us aware of his bias, but he hasn't attempted to present us with any information other than directly rubbishing his competitors. Perhaps their keg couplers are crap, I'm certainly prepared to entertain the possibility where anything cheap and on ebay is concerned. But why should we listen to someone telling us this when they have a clear conflict of interest? Or rather, they only have demonstrable interests in furthering their business - he's never contributed anything else, so we have no way to tell whether he's at all motivated by furthering the knowledge of homebrewers, so we can't even see if there's a conflict. He's not given us any opinions on matters where he doesn't have a conflicting interest, so we've got nothing to calibrate to.

He's welcome to tell us all about the quality of his products, and why he believes their features are desirable. But making damaging statements about businesses or individuals can certainly lead to legal trouble, both for the poster and the operators of the forum - I'm not a lawyer, but I know of at least one other forum where this has occurred.

He does, however, appear to be very knowledgeable on the subject, so I'd be very interested to hear more of his input. This is why I made the post above, asking him to keep his opinions on his competitors to himself and be straight with us. If I thought he had nothing to offer besides spam and commercial sabotage, I'd have been a lot more direct in telling him to GTFO.

 

[pbrosnan]

Quite right, but this is a statement from a supplier who has no evidence to back up his statements. It is, at best, hearsay.

If you think that the posts of that purveyor empower you as a consumer, I would like to remind you that there is one born every minute and you appear to have been that one and on that minute, if your post was sincere and you were not being either Devil's Advocate or controversial for the sake of being so.

Ever done business in Asia? I hope not... With that opinion it's you, the apple barrel and maybe some lube. Maybe.

Cheers - Fermented.

I'm just trying to express an opinion. If you don't like it you don't have to read it. I found the OPs post to have an authoritative tone. He has provided links to the products in question. If I want to I can try and validate his claim. I don't really appreciate being called a fool and, as I said in my OP, I don't like people assuming a share their opinion. I would thank you to keep a civil tongue sir.

"Ever done business in Asia? I hope not... With that opinion it's you, the apple barrel and maybe some lube. Maybe." WTF does this mean???

 

[thanme]

Hi Gents,

I recently bought a Kegerator from Pinnacle, and have the 2 of the couplers and the regulator listed in the above eBay links. I'm in Perth if anyone wants to have a look to verify it?? I'm practically a newbie so I wouldn't be able to tell the difference (And I'm not going to use the couplers anyway).

 

[pbrosnan]

Absolutely. However, along with Fermented, boston and, presumably, the mod(s) who siphoned kegexpert's two most recent threads, I believe that that information should come from unbiased sources where possible. Since that's almost never possible, the next best thing is sources which are completely transparent about their biases, and attempt to keep those biases out of their information as much as they can. Kegexpert has at least made us aware of his bias, but he hasn't attempted to present us with any information other than directly rubbishing his competitors. Perhaps their keg couplers are crap, I'm certainly prepared to entertain the possibility where anything cheap and on ebay is concerned. But why should we listen to someone telling us this when they have a clear conflict of interest? Or rather, they only have demonstrable interests in furthering their business - he's never contributed anything else, so we have no way to tell whether he's at all motivated by furthering the knowledge of homebrewers, so we can't even see if there's a conflict. He's not given us any opinions on matters where he doesn't have a conflicting interest, so we've got nothing to calibrate to.

He's welcome to tell us all about the quality of his products, and why he believes their features are desirable. But making damaging statements about businesses or individuals can certainly lead to legal trouble, both for the poster and the operators of the forum - I'm not a lawyer, but I know of at least one other forum where this has occurred.

He does, however, appear to be very knowledgeable on the subject, so I'd be very interested to hear more of his input. This is why I made the post above, asking him to keep his opinions on his competitors to himself and be straight with us. If I thought he had nothing to offer besides spam and commercial sabotage, I'd have been a lot more direct in telling him to GTFO.

I can't be arsed arguing with the school prefect ... night

 

[LethalCorpse]

as I said in my OP, I don't like people assuming a share their opinion.

I would never assume you to share my opinion pbrosnan, in fact, a brief look back through the history of threads we've both posted in would tend to indicate quite the opposite, almost by default. I haven't assumed anyone else here shares my opinion either - if you have another read you'll see I'm not ascribing opinions to anyone, only the ability to form them. I remain uncertain as to whether this is accurate.

 

[quantocks]

Hi Gents,

I recently bought a Kegerator from Pinnacle, and have the 2 of the couplers and the regulator listed in the above eBay links. I'm in Perth if anyone wants to have a look to verify it?? I'm practically a newbie so I wouldn't be able to tell the difference (And I'm not going to use the couplers anyway).

I bought one from his other competitor, must say I'm pretty happy for 400 dollars I got a fridge, font, beer tap, a whole heap of washers, grommets and a drip tray and guard rail, plus I sold the "crappy" coupler on ebay for 50 dollars that same week.

I have a strong feeling this guy is just trying to slag off competition perhaps due to lacking sales now the chinese crap has flooded his market?

 

[kegexpert]

but he spelled it right :unsure:

I am just telling you the truth.If Australian don't like to hear truth.I am sorry.Some dealers in Australian buy cheap but bad quality products from China to sell in Australia.People bought such products and got the impression that all products from China are of bad quality.Very unfair for us

The Kegmate is also made in China,instead of Australia.

 

[quantocks]

I am just telling you the truth.If Australian don't like to hear truth.I am sorry.Some dealers in Australian buy cheap but bad quality products from China to sell in Australia.People bought such products and got the impression that all products from China are of bad quality.Very unfair for us

The Kegmate is also made in China,instead of Australia.

your comments are absolutely gold! most products from China are of poor quality. That's why they are cheap. But coming here and all you're doing is slagging off one/all of your competitors for having 'inferior' chinese products?....

perhaps you'd be better off spending your time creating better quality products?

when buying a motorcycle, you'll always go for Japanese over Taiwanese, then Taiwanese over Chinese. Why is this? because most people know that 75% of stuff manufactured in China is cheap crap that isn't built to last.

 

[Thunderlips]

I bought one from his other competitor, must say I'm pretty happy for 400 dollars I got a fridge, font, beer tap, a whole heap of washers, grommets and a drip tray and guard rail, plus I sold the "crappy" coupler on ebay for 50 dollars that same week.

Yep, me too.
I got the stainless steel flat door "kegmate", 2 tap font with 2 Celli style taps, 2 couplers and 1 regulator for $580.
All I really needed was the fridge as I have everything else so the rest is a bonus I can either sell or give to friends.

Seeing as the Kegmate fridge usually sells for between $600 and $700 alone, it's not a bad deal.

I set it all up tonight, hooked up the 3 tap T-bar font I got from Ross, and couldn't be happier.

 

[gibbocore]

funny things in this thread;

* The OP

* Everyone getting uppity about the OP