Cask and Hand-pump

[Alex.Tas]

Because I'm not a shandy drinking southern fairy.

F*&^%ing Northern monkey

 

[Blind Dog]

Got a proper northern neck on my beer engine and will be dispensing the beer WITH sparkler. Because I'm a daft northerner with ferret down trousers, too dumb to realise it's just a way to ruin perfectly good beer

FTFY

 

[Tahoose]

I've seen those in use in a pub in Cornwall back in about 75, it was right on the waterfront and didn't have a cellar so the beer was served straight from the casks that sat on stillages behind the bar.
Thanks for unearthing what they actually were, a lot of people have thought I was making the whole thing up.

I really want to find one, or at best find some drawings of how they work and who actually made them.

I reckon these would be great fo brew club, real ale type events.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

I can't understand why it had such a small nozzle on the pump, assuming that is the nozzle, and what sort of pour would it be?

 

[welly2]

Looks great Welly. A small cheap bar fridge would be the way to go.
Watch out for that Diacetyl h34r:

Yeah, this is all pretty experimental at the moment so anything could happen. :unsure: :wacko: But so far, so good. I've not even tasted the beer. Decided to hold off having an early sample. I'll wait a week. No point in jumping the gun.

 

[Tahoose]

I can't understand why it had such a small nozzle on the pump, assuming that is the nozzle, and what sort of pour would it be?

I'll have to check the book which won't be until Monday, but I think it was a crimped end, which made it simular to a sparkler and produced more of a tight head.

I'll try an chase it up.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

I don't think I would be rushing out to buy one, you know yourself what a difference a hand pump makes to the beer, but I am really curious as to the why's and wherefores that it would be popular as against a straight tap pour from the cask. They must have been designed for a reason.
I wonder if this is its successor.
http://kegking.com.au/keg-couplers-and-keg-disconnects/portable-keg-dispensing/deluxe-party-pump-kit-picnic-pump.html

 

[Bribie G]

I can't understand why it had such a small nozzle on the pump, assuming that is the nozzle, and what sort of pour would it be?

Having grown my beer gland in the UK, there's a big difference between beer served in a pub through a beer engine and served by gravity from the cask.

Pubs serving straight out of the cask were, and are, in a minority. Perfect example that I remember, when I lived in Cardiff, Brains Beers were served through a tight sparkler and had a creamy head with a fairly flat beer underneath. Perfect quaffing pint, like mother's milk.
When CAMRA arose in the early 1970s my local started to put on casks of Brains SA (despite the fact that SA was being also dispensed through hand pump) for the equivalent of hipsters back then. I can still taste it, fizzy and without much of a head, rather nice in its own way but nothing like the SA being served at the bar through the beer engines.

I'd guess the cask pump would deliver the equivalent pour to the beer-engine version that the locals would be accustomed to and no doubt with a good tight head.

edit; in circumstances where counter mounted beer engines were not available, or impracticable, such as in a restaurant or a sports meeting.

 

[Bribie G]

I don't think I would be rushing out to buy one, you know yourself what a difference a hand pump makes to the beer, but I am really curious as to the why's and wherefores that it would be popular as against a straight tap pour from the cask. They must have been designed for a reason.
I wonder if this is its successor.
http://kegking.com.au/keg-couplers-and-keg-disconnects/portable-keg-dispensing/deluxe-party-pump-kit-picnic-pump.html

More than likely, but I attended a few student parties in the UK where an air pressure pump just like the picnic pump was in use. Usually dispensing some abomination like William Youngers Tartan keg. :icon_vomit:

 

[wide eyed and legless]

After the initial shock of cellar temp beer, I really came to enjoy it though it seemed flat the head would follow the liquor right down to the bottom and it was so easy to drink, its the gas that ***** a good beer

 

[Robbo2234]

Aldi this week 20 liter collapsible water containers! 3 bucks if I remember.

 

[Tahoose]

I think the simcup gives establishments that aren't set up with a decent cellar a way to have a cask behind the bar every now and then.

Simulating a hand pump and its benefits with out the capital outlay. Obviously they weren't the best option otherwise I'm sure we still see them kicking around pubs.

I blame the mega brewers.

 

[welly2]

Just checked on my polypin. It's been in the fermenting fridge since Thursday and I can see little bubbles of carbonation forming at the top of the pin. It looks like it might actually be working! I'll be tapping it next weekend I think.

 

[billygoat]

I really want to find one, or at best find some drawings of how they work and who actually made them.

I reckon these would be great fo brew club, real ale type events.

Is it one of these?

 

[Bribie G]

That's the beast.

 

[Mardoo]

That is such a piece of sweet jesus! I may have a new obsession. Why do I love stuff like that?

 

[LorriSanga]

In regards to the Aldi water containers, do you think there is any chance of these busting during conditioning?

 

[S.E]

I think the simcup gives establishments that aren't set up with a decent cellar a way to have a cask behind the bar every now and then.

Simulating a hand pump and its benefits with out the capital outlay. Obviously they weren't the best option otherwise I'm sure we still see them kicking around pubs.

I blame the mega brewers.

I have a Simcup pump. I posted a picture of it, post #46 in the Polypins thread in response to Bribie G’s post #45 and “little old Hobbit pubs” comment. I could never understand why anyone would bother attaching a pump to a cask rather than just a tap and gravity dispense till I it occurred to me that with a Simcup a cask could be left on the floor or wherever if there was no room for it on the bar or somewhere the barman could get a glass under the tap. However after a little more thought I guess it would be easier to put it on higher stillage rather than have to bend down to pour every pint.

My bar mounted beer engine with its sparkler fitted will give a tight creamy head that gravity doesn’t but if I use it without the sparkler it makes very little difference to the head over gravity dispense. Or at least I don’t think enough difference to make it worthwhile bothering. When gravity dispensing if you start with the glass close to the tap then drop it down lower during the pour it will agitate the beer and form a head just like pumping into the glass without a sparkler.

Though a bar mounted engine without a sparkler will not improve the head enough to warrant using one for that purpose alone I can’t see what other reason the Simcup could have been used for. The Simcup doesn’t have a sparkler so won’t give a really tight thick creamy head but does pump a finer and stronger jet of beer into the glass so will give a better head than a bar mounted engine without a sparkler fitted.

I don’t know why the Simcup pump is obsolete now but when I tested mine with a firkin half full of water it was difficult to pull a pint without the cask sliding about on the stillage. I would guess one reason they are no longer used is a modern SS cask is too smooth and light so will slide around stirring up the yeast. I have only seen pictures of them used with wooden casks.

 

[S.E]

In regards to the Aldi water containers, do you think there is any chance of these busting during conditioning?

[SIZE=11pt]They are a bit fragile and fiddly. The advantage of using them over a ridged cube is they collapse as you pour so don’t need to be continuously topped up with co2. I have been using one filled with co2 instead and attaching it to a cube so I get the best of both worlds. [/SIZE]
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[welly2]

[SIZE=11pt]They are a bit fragile and fiddly. The advantage of using them over a ridged cube is they collapse as you pour so don’t need to be continuously topped up with co2. I have been using one filled with co2 instead and attaching it to a cube so I get the best of both worlds. [/SIZE]
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Bloody clever set up there. I'll progress to that system in time. At the moment the water container seems to be holding its own. I'm gasping to try it out! This weekend for sure.