Using Australian Malts or having prostate problems? Read This...

[Back Yard Brewer]

Twice a year, getting the prostate checked is a highlight of my life.... :unsure:

Is that wrong????

It depends if you enjoy that sought of thing :huh: or depends if you have it done the new way, its just a little prick.


BYB

 

[goomboogo]

No! While blood test (PSA) is ok, the digital test is the most accurate. Speaking from experience, keeping your prostrate should be your main aim.

Another one of these Dubbels and I think I'll be prostrate. What's with all this negativity about digital. The picture quality on my new TV is excellent.

Mantis, your tale is one all men should take as a lesson. Not relying on first opinions is a most salient point. I hope all continues to go well for you.

 

[Fermented]

I'm just about to hit 40 and the missus is already badgering me to go for a full medical.

I, like most blokes, am allergic to doctors at the best of times. However, after years of hard drinking with clients after years of being one to party-hearty, maybe it's time to let common sense kick in.

Having heard about blood testing being available I felt more relaxed. Hearing now that digital is more reliable makes me less relaxed. Hearing Mantis' story (sorry to hear, mate), just drives it home that one way or the other we need to look after ourselves.

Anyway - any luck on finding that story? The link doesn't seem to work for me and my Google-fu is not good.

Cheers - Fermented.

 

[braufrau]

Men! They invented the blood test because men are so squeamish!

OK .. prostate cancer, world wide, compared to cervical cancer is an itty bitty killer so if you have your test or not .. no big deal really, in terms of the population, could be bad for you as an individual though, and it only kills old men .. but guys .. talk to your wives about invasive tests and suck it up!

But butters .. 2x / year ... does he bring flowers?

 

[boingk]

Do some research on environmental plasticisers and incidence of prostate and breast cancer. Looks like we've set ourselves [and the rest of the planet] up a bit in the red...

...basically what I'm talking about is that since the 50's the rate of prostate and breast cancer has increased by a factor of four. Lately this has been attributed to increasing amounts of genetically active components in the environment, most of these contributed by plastics. The research has been duplicated and looks to be pretty spot-on.

Another argument for glass carboys?

Cheers - boingk

 

[braufrau]

The most important plastics to avoid are poly-carbonate and some PVC, which have bispenyl-A as their plasticiser.
Polycarbonate doesn't have recycle # of its own, it falls under 7 (other) and PVC is #5.
So the conservative thing is to avoid #7 and #5 recycle numbers and that means those spring water bottles, you know, the ones you invert onto a dispenser thingy.

We had quite a few polycarbonate bottles and I couldn't stop HWMBO from using them until I snapped "you'll grow man ****s!". Now we know what his priorities are!

Men!

 

[razz]

Twice a year, getting the prostate checked is a highlight of my life.... :unsure:

Is that wrong????

These days I just get a blood test, but hey, if you like the old fashioned method then good luck to ya Butters ! :lol:

 

[rclemmett]

Guest Lurker just gave me a pretty important bit of info so would like to share hence the new post original

I got a great result using yeast nutrient with a LCBA clone (Tonys if you want to look it up) and was not sure if it was the nutrient or the care I took to rehydrate the yeast. The base malt used was BB Galaxy. FG 1050 down to 1008.

What Guest Lurker says rings very true with what a friend of my says who works as a consultant to organic farmers. He says that Australian soils coupled with traditional (not organic) farming leaves means we are just about all zinc deficient. My chiro put me on zinc supplment ages ago, seems to help....

So there you have it. I for one have a dry taste and do not enjoy that "Fanta" taste you get with a high FG with hops like Cascade.

Cheers


Edit that link does not work so copied below

"What malt? If imported maybe dont bother. If Australian, then the zinc in the nutrient seems to make a big difference. If not using in the kettle, then I would 1) boil it to be safe and 2) cut back the amount a bit because I think the recommended dosage allows for some to be left behind in the kettle. "

KOS

Sorry but I don't understand what you're trying to say.

You say you got a great result and that you don't enjoy it :blink: .

I for one have never used yeast nutrient in a beer, and don't see the need as I make good beers without it. The wort should contain all the nutrients needed for the yeast, no? I am of the understanding that yeast nutrient is used when pitching into an inhospitable, say a ginger beer.

 

[The King of Spain]

Sorry but I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Basicaly that if you are using Australian Malts like BB, you will get better attenuation using a yeast nutrient. Thats because Australian soils tend to be very low in zinc.

Yes very happy with the result.

 

[Brewtus]

i heard that as well but what I'm curious about is whats the difference to your body between self gratification and having a bit of fun with the Mrs.

and Mantis i hope your all good now and that you stay free from cancer in future. i lost my mum to cancer last year and its a bitch of a thing.

I understand the study that they base this on concluded either works, it is about fitness in that function of the body. Regular use is what reduces the risk, not whether you have help or not.

 

[rclemmett]

Basicaly that if you are using Australian Malts like BB, you will get better attenuation using a yeast nutrient. Thats because Australian soils tend to be very low in zinc.

Yes very happy with the result.

Hmmm. I am curious as I have only used aussie malts so far. How much nutrient do you use? Can a zinc supplement be used?

:icon_offtopic: I bet you didn't expect this to happen your thread?

 

[Darren]

Men! They invented the blood test because men are so squeamish!

OK .. prostate cancer, world wide, compared to cervical cancer is an itty bitty killer so if you have your test or not

Braufrau,
There is a vaccine for papilloma virus infection (Guardisil) that prevents cervical cancer. Funny enough only girls get the vaccine free even though there are many reports that prostate cancer is also caused by papilloma virus infection ie it is sexually transmitted.

Finally, as many men die of prostate cancer as women do of breast cancer, so it is not an itty bitty problem.

cheers

Darren

 

[rclemmett]

Who would have thought that such an "ON" topic thread would have suffered from censorship?

 

[rclemmett]

Oh.

 

[braufrau]

Braufrau,
There is a vaccine for papilloma virus infection (Guardisil) that prevents cervical cancer. Funny enough only girls get the vaccine free even though there are many reports that prostate cancer is also caused by papilloma virus infection ie it is sexually transmitted.

Finally, as many men die of prostate cancer as women do of breast cancer, so it is not an itty bitty problem.

cheers

Darren

I am aware that there is a vaccine (2 actually) for HPV. It does not preclude the need for a pap smear however and certainly not for those women who aren't vaccinated.
Apart from prostate cancer, HPV causes oral cancers. The incidence of oral tumours caused by HPV is on the rise.
And apart from protecting men from these cancers which *world wide* (not in countries with screening) are a small cause of death compared to cervical cancer, there will be no herd immunity to HPV until boys are vaccinated too.
The same silly people who woke up one day and said "hang on .. we should immunise the boys against german measles" must have fallen back asleep!

And if its not an itty bitty problem .. then all the more reason to suck it up! You don't hear women going on and on about their pap smears like men do about the finger up the bottom!

 

[rude]

There are some very intelligent people on this topic & I think you are all on the right path.
Zinc is definately deficient here in the west look up igor tabizian.
My wife is a medical researcher & Im just a piss head but have been educated a little by her thoughts.
As for the finger up the bum I'de hate to be the doctor that would be the pits but I suppose its a job & they do it just like we wash bottles to poor our brew into.
Good on you mantis you kept going mate you followed it up now we still get youre good advice on brewing

 

[rude]

Jeez just read my thread & Ive had a few beers so Id like to just clarify with the finger up the bum & cleaning bottles I no way mean to try a choc porter this way.

 

[real_beer]

Hmmm. I am curious as I have only used aussie malts so far. How much nutrient do you use? Can a zinc supplement be used?

:icon_offtopic: I bet you didn't expect this to happen your thread?

Get a piece of zinc from a boating store/scrapyard and throw it in the boiler, it'll last you years. You can also use a small piece of zincalume roofing but throw it away after one use.

 

[Wardhog]

Jeez just read my thread & Ive had a few beers so Id like to just clarify with the finger up the bum & cleaning bottles I no way mean to try a choc porter this way.

The office is looking at me funny now because of the snort I let out when I read that.

 

[therook]

What is going on with this forum, there is so much crap related stuff that has zero reference to beer yet people keep posting it.

Its a beer forum FFS lets talk beer or post in the Non Beer related section of the forum.

PostModern, you are a moderator and one of the biggest hypocrites around, when ever someone gets off topic you either delete or move the thread yet its okay for you to talk about sticking your fingers in the mash when really you are referring to having them jammed up your arse

Rook