No Topic Thread

[bum]

Not at all. These guys are 300lb freight trains running head on (and down) into each other.

Google for some old pictures of the early days of the sport. They wore leather helmets much like those sometimes worn by league/union/afl players. There's a reason they upgraded to what they use now. Most of them have to do with wheelchairs.

[EDIT: typo]

 

[bonj]

Have you ever watched the game? These dudes hit way harder than either code of rugby.

That fact is pretty much the source of every flaw in the game, of course, so I'm not saying it is any better because of it.

From my personal experience in high school level American football, as I see it, most of the flaws in the professional level of the game stem from:

• Players' individual inflated egos preventing teamwork and encouraging the pursuit of flamboyant individual success over team based success.
• Players being prevented from thinking for themselves (and probably as a result, their inability to)
• Constant stoppages designed to increase TV ad breaks.

Yes they hit harder, but the equipment is there to enable that. The way they swan around after their successful plays wouldn't be tolerated in Australian sport, and isn't tolerated at High school level in the USA.

As a game, I find it entertaining, but the above points limit my enjoyment as a spectator. I much prefer Rugby Union as a spectator sport because it isn't constricted by TV broadcasting, and the players tend to behave more like a team (with the odd exception such as Wendell Sailor/David Campese etc).

 

[bum]

With the possible (though not complete) exception of the third point, those points aren't problems inherent to the game itself. Certainly big issues though, for sure.

Yes they hit harder, but the equipment is there to enable that.

Exactly what I'm getting at. Saying the equipment makes them soft is just ignorant (I know you aren't saying this). The human body is not able to withstand such impact.

[EDIT: clarification added]

 

[Dave70]

Yes they hit harder, but the equipment is there to enable that.

The piece of equipment has yet to be devised that can prevent torque related injuries to the ACL or knee ligament, in any code. The fact that the average retirement age for pro NFL players is around 28 is telling. Then again, the 'average' size of an NFL player falls around the same as Jonah Lomu, so not surprising really.

I much prefer a decent game of union to however.
Wild horses couldn't drag me to to an NRL game. I hate it from top to bottom.
Actually, I prefer MMA or sport that involves the burning of fossil fuel truth be told. So there.

 

[yardy]

Yes they hit harder, but the equipment is there to enable that.

Exactly what I'm getting at.

Actual footballers at work.

 

[bum]

Holy shit! He has a preference in the matter of the parochial sports code argument!

Mind = blown.

 

[argon]

American Football is an easy target for many Australians, simply cause they don't fully understand it. In the same way many say they'd never survive in our codes, our sportsmen would rarely be able to survive in theirs.

I'm always amused by comments in regards to helmets and padding providing protection. In some ways they do, in others they make the sport more dangerous. Their tackling style is very different to the impact sports we're used to. When a middle linebacker lines up a small slot receiver, he's not thinking of wrapping up the ball and getting his arms around you. Someone like Ray Lewis wants to put his helmets right on yours.

The power athleticism on show in the NFL is far greater than any of the 3 codes most popular in Australia.

You have wide receivers that are 6'5" and can run pretty damn close to 10sec 100m. Defensive and offensive lineman that may as well be Olympic shot-putters when it's common that they weigh in at over 150kg and can dead-lift twice that. Consider Brock Lesnar, former UFC Heavywieght Champion and all American Wrestler, when he trialed for the Minnesota Vikings, was considered too small and not athletic enough. The guy was a monster in combat sport, but couldn't cut it with these guys.

Whilst some think that having different players for offense, defense and special teams is a weakness of the sport, i disagree. The players out on the field at any one time are there to do a job that they are best at. In the same way Quade Cooper gets put back to full back because he has questionable defense, the players on the field in offense are the best, as are the players in defense. This allows players to focus on the skills they are best at.

Of all the "footballs" i personally prefer Rugby (i refuse moniker Rugby Union) as i enjoy the rounded, technical, intelligent game. I also love Australian Rules for their endurance, pace and skill. Football (i also refuse the moniker Soccer) i enjoy for the pure skill they can put on show. I'm probably least likely to watch League, as i think it's a bit repetitive and predictable. It has it's moments at the most elite level though.

 

[argon]

Actual footballers at work.

View attachment 52199

I neither see a ball or the use of the foot within... odd

 

[Malted]

Dare I ask a question given what I have posted previously? I'll try it anyway.



What would be a reasonable price to ask if I sold my 3V brewery? Opinions please?
I'd like to have an idea of it's potential value before I actually 'offer' it for sale.

HLT: 50L keg with SS lid, CB 2200 w element, sight glass, dial thermo, weldless fittings
MT: 50L keg bottom draining, Beerbelly (BB) false bottom, BB return dish, Clarke rubber insulation on keg & lid, dial thermo, welded fittings
Keggle: 18 G, welded fittings
Brewframe: welded steel, red rustkill, silver heat 'proof' paint on Keggle end, castor wheels, wind/heat shielding on Keggle end

Other:
2 tier, gravity from HLT to MT - perfect for fly sparging easily.
SS 1/2" taps, cam lock fitings & hoses
BB 15a temp controler for HLT
Italian spiral burner & medium pressure adjustable reg
March pump & toggle switch

SS mash paddle included (as per the lower one):

Rustkill undercoat, red rustkill top coat and silver heat resistant paint on the keggle end. Castor wheels. Gas bottle sits in under the HLT.
I have bolted some tin around the keggle burner to act as heat shield and wind shield.

On the end red panel, there is an stc1000 type of unit to control the 2200w element in the HLT and a toggle switch for the march pump. The white cable is the temp probe that goes into a weldless thermowell. Fused IEC is power in, round 3 pin plug is for the march pump.

I cut the entire top off the keg so that there is no lip, to make getting spent grain out easier. Also easier to pull apart for cleaning (i.e. getting the false bottom out and getting hands in there to do so).
I made the lid out of a flat sheet of tin with some locator lugs on it and then glued a disk of the insulation to the top of it.

 

[yardy]

Holy shit! He has a preference in the matter of the parochial sports code argument!

Mind = blown.

▲ sandy vagina this one...

 

[Dave70]

Actual footballers at work.

 

[yardy]

:lol:

 

[.DJ.]

SNIP
I also love Australian Rules for their endurance, pace and skill.

Endurance - Yes
Pace - yes
Skill - REALLY?

I rekon AFL would be the LEAST skillful of all the "football" codes...

now... where is that flame suit... :icon_drunk:

 

[bonj]

Endurance - Yes
Pace - yes
Skill - REALLY?

I rekon AFL would be the LEAST skillful of all the "football" codes...

now... where is that flame suit... :icon_drunk:

If you're referring to ball handling skill (footballs that is), then I hear ya. The penalty for a dropped ball just isn't as great as in other codes. I feel that contributes to the lack of ball retention in AFL.

Endurance and Pace are there for sure, and while I don't find it entertaining in the slightest, the players do seem to have a more universal skill set on the field. I'm no expert, but it does seem the different positions have fewer specialised skill requirements than other codes.

 

[.DJ.]

correct, seriously, its like an hour and a half of knock ons sometimes...

Its get re-started and all they do it all over again...

Oh, and dont get me started on getting a point for missing...


now, what is the most skillful sport I wonder?

 

[yardy]

now, what is the most skillful sport I wonder?

 

[bonj]

View attachment 52205

That dude is just built for speed. Am I right?

 

[.DJ.]

ha ha ha!!

I rekon golf would be up there though...

I did read somewhere too that hitting a baseball (well and consistently)has been considered the most difficult feat in sports... Partially due to the fact that you are considered good if you fail 7 out of 10 times...

 

[warra48]

Most difficult sport ?

Homebrew forum surfing.

If you can survice any time without being flamed, you're a champion.

 

[Airgead]

View attachment 52205

One Hundred And EightAay!!!!! Kilos that is.

And I could make a joke about AFL footballers and Ball retention but I won't.