Move To All Grain For Thirty Bucks

[lespaul]

hey hey

inspired by this post i am going to give my first AG a go.

going to kick off with Dr Smurto's Golden Ale as my mate Lobo did it and i loved it.

so with recipes how do I adjust a recipe on AHB to only a 9L brew? i am guessing i want to use less grain and hops or do i still use the same amount of hops?

answers or link to information would be great

thanks

carty

this is the Dr S recipe i did on the weekend with BIAB
hope it helps


Min OG: 1.045 Max OG: 1.060 Min IBU: 30 Max IBU: 54 Min Clr: 5 Max Clr: 14 Color in SRM, Lovibond

Recipe Specifics
Batch Size (L): 10.00
Wort Size (L): 10.00
Total Grain (kg): 2.13
Anticipated OG: 1.047
Plato: 11.68
Anticipated SRM: 7.3
Anticipated IBU: 40.8
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70 %
Wort Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Pre-Boil Amounts
Evaporation Rate: 6.00 L
Per Hour Pre-Boil
Wort Size: 16.00 L
Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.029 SG 7.41 Plato

Grain/Extract/Sugar % Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
56.5 1.20 kg. Weyermann Pilsner Germany 1.038 2
18.8 0.40 kg. Weyermann Pale Wheat Germany 1.038 2
18.8 0.40 kg. Weyermann Munich I Germany 1.038 8
5.9 0.13 kg. Weyermann Caramunich I Germany 1.036 51
Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.

Hops Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
10.00 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 10.00 29.9 60 min
10.00 g. Amarillo Gold Whole 10.00 6.0 10 min
10.00 g. Amarillo Gold Whole 10.00 5.0 5 min
10.00 g. Amarillo Gold Whole 10.00 0.0 0 min

yeast was US-05 (used the whole packet, even though the post just above said i probably shouldnt have)
you'll have to adjust the hops, because it will likely be below 10%AA

hope this helps

 

[MarkBastard]

Bugger. Thanks.

Looks like I'm still going to need a bigger pot anyway. I don't think the one I have is 15L. Oh....and a themometer, and a grinder,....and voile. My poor wallet.

Can't wait to try this.

You can get the 19L stainless steel pot from Big W for about $20. Perfect for this.

Nothing wrong with doing partials either. Halve the grain bill and wack in 1.5L of LME at flameout. Tastes close to all grain and all you need is the pot, a thermometer, and $5 worth of voile. (or you can get the large grain bag from craftbrewer which is perfect for this).

 

[lespaul]

Bugger. Thanks.

Looks like I'm still going to need a bigger pot anyway. I don't think the one I have is 15L. Oh....and a themometer, and a grinder,....and voile. My poor wallet.

Can't wait to try this.

if you want to do 23lt brews you can look into a legal keg to change into a kettle (heaps of tutorials out there), or buy a large stock pot around 40lt and buy a burner for around $40.

i think the idea of this tutorial is that you are meant to make a smaller batch...increase the learning curve because you get to make more brews, and you dont loose out as much if you stuff it up.

 

[jello]

I'm happy doing smaller batches to start with.

Checked out the voile today. It's a steal at $7/metre at Spotlight. (Which is in the furniture section of Spotlight by the way.)

 

[mattcarty]

this is the Dr S recipe i did on the weekend with BIAB
hope it helps


Min OG: 1.045 Max OG: 1.060 Min IBU: 30 Max IBU: 54 Min Clr: 5 Max Clr: 14 Color in SRM, Lovibond

Recipe Specifics
Batch Size (L): 10.00
Wort Size (L): 10.00
Total Grain (kg): 2.13
Anticipated OG: 1.047
Plato: 11.68
Anticipated SRM: 7.3
Anticipated IBU: 40.8
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70 %
Wort Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Pre-Boil Amounts
Evaporation Rate: 6.00 L
Per Hour Pre-Boil
Wort Size: 16.00 L
Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.029 SG 7.41 Plato

Grain/Extract/Sugar % Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
56.5 1.20 kg. Weyermann Pilsner Germany 1.038 2
18.8 0.40 kg. Weyermann Pale Wheat Germany 1.038 2
18.8 0.40 kg. Weyermann Munich I Germany 1.038 8
5.9 0.13 kg. Weyermann Caramunich I Germany 1.036 51
Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.

Hops Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
10.00 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 10.00 29.9 60 min
10.00 g. Amarillo Gold Whole 10.00 6.0 10 min
10.00 g. Amarillo Gold Whole 10.00 5.0 5 min
10.00 g. Amarillo Gold Whole 10.00 0.0 0 min

yeast was US-05 (used the whole packet, even though the post just above said i probably shouldnt have)
you'll have to adjust the hops, because it will likely be below 10%AA

hope this helps

hey hey

thanks mate that is a help, will give this a go, ordered my grain and hops a couple of days ago, going to spotlight tomorrow morning to battle the 39 degree weather to get the voile, this arvo going to look at the cost of a fridge to upgrade to a 4 keg system, then using my current keg fridge (only a 2 keg setup pffft whats the good of ya!) as a fermenter fridge with a temp mate, going to crack out some easy 20 degree ales then onto lagers! EXCITING!

also might try a partial mash with the extra 1.5 LME as well in response to the advice from mark bastard.

thanks you all, really appreciate all the help, this post was great, simplified the whole process and made it sound far less daunting to give it a good hard go for myself mmmmmmm beer

oh on a side note my coopers wall mount bottle opener arrived today and i have mounted it snuggly on the back of my new redgum bar. life is good!

cheers
carty

 

[fergi]

yes well i am also hoping to get my grain this week for my first try at a biab matt, also thanks again to nick for posting the get off your arse and try it article for biab and must also thank the bastard for his input into this article
cheers


fergi

 

[fergi]

i am just going to stoke up my burner and pot with 16 litres of water, i am going to bring it to the boil and then simmer it with the lid on for 60 mins, this is to see how much fluid i lose, hoping to be left with 10 litres for my wort,is this a fair indication of what my post boil will be in litres
fergi

 

[tdh]

Wyrt, originally. Ye Olde English.

and used in current German as Wrze.

Then there's Vorlauf, Vorderwrzehopfung, Dunkelweizendoppelbock, Krusen, Lager, Luter, Reinheitsgebot.

You see, if you extend yourselves you'll even learn a second language.

tdh

 

[WarmBeer]

i am just going to stoke up my burner and pot with 16 litres of water, i am going to bring it to the boil and then simmer it with the lid on for 60 mins, this is to see how much fluid i lose, hoping to be left with 10 litres for my wort,is this a fair indication of what my post boil will be in litres
fergi

You preferably want your lid off.

Part of the reason we boil for an extended period of time, apart from extraction of bittering compounds from hops, is to evaporate the "precursors" to DMS (which may contribute a wet-cardboard smell to your beer)

At least, that's what I was told...

 

[manticle]

DMS is more commonly described as cooked corn or vegetables but it is why you want the lid off (I have mine half on to reduce a bit of loss and have not tasted cooked corn in any of mine yet).

 

[fergi]

ok noted, will leave lid half off for first brew.
fergi

 

[fergi]

just looking at local bake and brew shop here in gawler, SA, they have stainless steel hand operated marga mills for $129, i wonder how they would work , i know it would be harder and slower than a electric one but also a lot cheaper, has a hopper on top and a collector at the bottom.
fergi

 

[pokolbinguy]

just looking at local bake and brew shop here in gawler, SA, they have stainless steel hand operated marga mills for $129, i wonder how they would work , i know it would be harder and slower than a electric one but also a lot cheaper, has a hopper on top and a collector at the bottom.
fergi

They are pretty commonly converted for milling grain.

Craftbrewer sells them Linky

Looks like your LHBS has a pretty reasonable new price.

 

[Pollux]

and with some creativity they can be modded to attach to a bucket lid and a drill.....

 

[fergi]

and with some creativity they can be modded to attach to a bucket lid and a drill.....

looks alright that mod pollux,is that the mill that you use and did you mod it yourself.does a drill fit on the end of the standard shaft.
fergi

 

[Pollux]

I simply removed the base plate, used the little plates below that to screw it to the bucket and cut a hole to match in the lid.

The drive is transferred with a 10mm dynabolt, with matching bit on my drill.

Works a charm.

 

[Pennywise]

That's an awesome idea Pollux, how much speed does the marga handle?

 

[Pollux]

No idea on the exact RPM, I'll make a point to time the next batch of grain I crush.

 

[tdh]

For about $100 you can get a motor from the same manufacturer that bayonets on to the mill.

tdh

 

[Bribie G]

Touch great leader!

Anyhow, does anyone have a list of simple ales & hops etc which can be brewed with a small list of hops? I see the recipy database as a bit daughtning and everything seems to have a list of different ingredients (I do realise this is how things are made to be different but I'm just after a couple slightly different things from the same base malt with perhaps just some different specialty hops.

Three common styles of beers that newbies tend to start off with - and which are a great 'apprenticeship' are:

Australian Standard "Quaffing" beers
Carltonish XXXX-ish styles. As a beginner you don't need to go into the intricacies of lagering, you can make an acceptable 'fake' lager using a yeast such as US-05 and ferment cool at 17 degrees.

Malt: Pale Pilsener (BB or Joe White) - Hops: a single addition of Pride of Ringwood, Cluster or Superpride at the beginning of the boil. Optionally use 300-500g sugar or dex in the fermenter. Yeast: US-05 dried yeast

UK Bitters

Malt: Maris Otter, Golden Promise or Halcyon. 5% dark crystal malt. Hops: a bittering addition of Fuggles or Challenger or Target at the beginning of the boil. An aroma addition of Styrian Goldings or East Kent Goldings ten mins before end of boil. Yeast: Nottingham dried yeast, or one of the Wyeast all-round UK yeasts such as Ringwood (not to be confused with the hop of that name) or Whitbread.


Australian Sparkling Ales (Coopers Style)

Malt: BB or Joe White Ale malt. 5 to 8% Carared malt. Hops: a single addition of Pride of Ringwood at the beginning of the boil. Yeast: culture your own authentic yeast from a couple of tallies of Coopers Sparkling or Pale Ale.


If you can get a couple of the above brews under your belt then you are off and running. I tend to cringe when an enthusiastic AG brewer announces "my first brew is going to be a wonderful Alt Winterbier dark Prussian Imperial Poodleheffemeister with Belgian yeasts and added licorice and molasses........."

Keep it simple initially and happy brewing :icon_cheers: :icon_cheers:


bb

 

[levin_ae92]

Reading this makes me want to at least try a partial!! damn i wish the weather wasnt so warm here right now, but ill be on holidays soon and then i'll have no excuse not to give it a try!!

i think i might start with a DSGA partial? how much ale malt would it take to substitute the can of light liquid malt abouts?

thanks NickJD for the article too, found it easy to follow, i honestly get a bit confused just simply reading about all grain brewing it does my head in!!

 

[MarkBastard]

From memory 1.5L of LME could replace about 2kg of grain, depending on a few factors.

 

[levin_ae92]

Thanks Mark,

so i could safely mash 2kg of traditional ale malt and the crystal at the same time? , use this for the hop boil, then add the wheat malt at flameout, chill, top up to 20L and off i go?

 

[MarkBastard]

The regular grain bill on that is...

2.4 kg Weyermann Pilsner
0.8 kg Weyermann Pale Wheat
0.8 kg Weyermann Munich I
0.25 kg Weyermann Caramunich I

To be safe what I'd probably do is have...

0.6kg Weyermann Pilsner
0.8kg Weyermann Pale Wheet
0.8kg Weyermann Munich I
0.25kg Weyermann Caramunich I

And then 1.5L of LME at flameout

But that said I haven't done this recipe and I don't know if because that mini mash only has a relatively small percentage of non-wheat non-speciality malt it will be good enough for the hop boil etc. Someone else will have to tell you that.

There are easier recipes to start a partial mash with IMO. I'd go for an amber ale.

 

[mintsauce]

Three common styles of beers that newbies tend to start off with - and which are a great 'apprenticeship' are:

Australian Standard "Quaffing" beers

UK Bitters

Australian Sparkling Ales (Coopers Style)

If you can get a couple of the above brews under your belt then you are off and running. I tend to cringe when an enthusiastic AG brewer announces "my first brew is going to be a wonderful Alt Winterbier dark Prussian Imperial Poodleheffemeister with Belgian yeasts and added licorice and molasses........."

Keep it simple initially and happy brewing :icon_cheers: :icon_cheers:


bb

Thanks for the Advice - was just what I was looking for, just so happens that I love the Coopers style Sparkling Ale so I'll work on those as well as quaffers to keep the boys happy.

 

[stm]

I simply removed the base plate, used the little plates below that to screw it to the bucket and cut a hole to match in the lid.

The drive is transferred with a 10mm dynabolt, with matching bit on my drill.

Works a charm.

Hi Pollux

Did you reinforce the lid of your bucket/pail with something when you bolted the marga to it, or is it strong enough as is? Thanks!

stm

 

[Pollux]

I used the two plates from the base of the marga, they are the ones with the little rubber feet on them...

While the lid may not be superstrong, my rainwater diverter hopper holds 3kg and it's never collapsed.

 

[humper_zim]

I just put down my first mini BIAB this afternoon. I used a recipe similar to that described in this thread and made it up to 10 litres. I dont think I made any big mistakes, im sure there are plenty of places I could improve, but im not too worried about it at this stage, just getting a feel for it all.

I hit my mash temp spot on, and only lost 1 degree over the 60 min mash so was pretty happy. According to Beersmith my predicted OG was 1.055, my measured OG was 1.056 so really happy with that. that makes my efficiency a touch over 75%, not bad for my first attempt i think.

Anyways, its in the fermenter at 18 degrees as I type, so hopefully it'll come out good. Unfortunately my camera battery was flat when i took it out to take photos of the brew. I'll take photos of my next one in teh next few weeks. I have everything I need for 3 of these mini brews...

Looking forward to taste the results! I'll let everyone know how it goes

Cheers :icon_cheers:

mike

 

[DanFranko]

Nick,

just wanted to add my thanks for this tutorial - for a new brewer like myself it has given me the insight i need to have a go at AG brewing!

cheers

Dan

:beerbang:

 

[Nick JD]

Nick,

just wanted to add my thanks for this tutorial - for a new brewer like myself it has given me the insight i need to have a go at AG brewing!

cheers

Dan

:beerbang:

No worries.