Man Vs Machine Who Will Win

[im_hoppin_mad]

i think green will win by tko or ko in the
5th round


dannys message
mundine you can run but you
cant hide

 

[FNQ Bunyip]

just like to see mundine go down dont care when or by who or by how much !!

cheersfnqbunyip

 

[Uncle Fester]

I'm sure that if he loses, it will have been racially motivated....

"Da Man, Da Mouth".....

 

[ryanator]

GO THE GREEN MACHINE!

 

[Screwtop]

Can't figure out who is financing the buying of the oponents since Rene Rivkins demise. Surely the financiers are not seeing a profit.

 

[berto]

Seeing Mundines ass wiped across the canvas is profit enough for most i think

 

[im_hoppin_mad]

Can't figure out who is financing the buying of the oponents since Rene Rivkins demise. Surely the financiers are not seeing a profit.

[post="92081"][/post]​

i hear that mundine wants lester ellis again



mundine v ellis 2 lol

im gunner pick the opponent for mundine

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=004741


reggie strickland W 66 (14 ko's) | L 276 | D 17 | Total 363

give up reggie

if mundine lifts he might jus beat reggie lol

 

[nonicman]

Go the Man (mouth). Haven't met either so can't pass judgement on character. Mundine is the greater entertainer and it's funny the amount of emotion he generates in others.

edit: sp etc...

 

[user 384]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was tighter than most people think. I haven't got a problem with Mundine and think he's a top class boxer. He has good hand speed, power and certainly can move. He has Green's measure when it comes to evasive skills. Out of the 2, Green is a much more traditional stand up, toe to to, power punching boxer, but you can't hurt what you can't hit. If Mundine boxes smart, uses all his ring craft and doesn't try and simply punch it out with Green, then it's anyone's bet. If Green can cut-off Mundine and keep him in the corners, then he's going to hurt him.

All said and done I think Green will win, he's a hard man who can take a lot of punishment. I reckon he'll drop a nice right cross on Mundines jaw while he's bobbing and weaving and trying to be too fancy.

But as I said I don't care if Mundine loses, he's still a top class boxer. You can't take away the fact that he won the WBA Super-Middleweight Championship of the World. Get in the ring with him and he could smack the crap out of anyone on this forum.

Cheers
MAH

 

[bindi]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was tighter than most people think. I haven't got a problem with Mundine and think he's a top class boxer. He has good hand speed, power and certainly can move. He has Green's measure when it comes to evasive skills. Out of the 2, Green is a much more traditional stand up, toe to to, power punching boxer, but you can't hurt what you can't hit. If Mundine boxes smart, uses all his ring craft and doesn't try and simply punch it out with Green, then it's anyone's bet. If Green can cut-off Mundine and keep him in the corners, then he's going to hurt him.

All said and done I think Green will win, he's a hard man who can take a lot of punishment. I reckon he'll drop a nice right cross on Mundines jaw while he's bobbing and weaving and trying to be too fancy.

But as I said I don't care if Mundine loses, he's still a top class boxer. You can't take away the fact that he won the WBA Super-Middleweight Championship of the World. Get in the ring with him and he could smack the crap out of anyone on this forum.

Cheers



Oh well said MAH I know he has a big mouth but I hope Mundine wins

[post="92108"][/post]​

 

[im_hoppin_mad]

mundine won the wba super middle weight tittle coz he fought someone smaller then him echols isnt a super middle weight hes a middle weight thats 2 divison under mundine

 

[im_hoppin_mad]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was tighter than most people think. I haven't got a problem with Mundine and think he's a top class boxer. He has good hand speed, power and certainly can move. He has Green's measure when it comes to evasive skills. Out of the 2,


so if mundine runs a way then lol he might jus win

 

[user 384]

mundine won the wba super middle weight tittle coz he fought someone smaller then him echols isnt a super middle weight hes a middle weight thats 2 divison under mundine

[post="92118"][/post]​

Actually a middle weight is only one division under super middle weight:

Junior middle weight = 69.9kg
Middle weight = 72.6kg
Super middle weight = 76.2kg

Going up or down one weight division is'nt uncommon and let's face it 3.6kg between these divisions is bugger all difference. At the weigh for the fight Mundine was 76.2 and Echols was 75.8. Yes Mundine is a bigger boxer with a bigger frame, but Echols is considered one of the hardest punchers pound for pound and often described as a one punch knock out.

Mundine won the fight because he out boxed Echols. Echols punched himself tired without landing enough damaging blows (you can't hurt what you can't hit). He wasn't able to cut the ring off and keep Mundine in the corners. Once he had punched himself tired, Mundine picked him off in the second half of the fight. Smart boxing on Mundine's behalf.

Cheers
MAH

 

[im_hoppin_mad]

mundine won the wba super middle weight tittle coz he fought someone smaller then him echols isnt a super middle weight hes a middle weight thats 2 divison under mundine

[post="92118"][/post]​

Actually a middle weight is only one division under super middle weight:

Junior middle weight = 69.9kg
Middle weight = 72.6kg
Super middle weight = 76.2kg

Going up or down one weight division is'nt uncommon and let's face it 3.6kg between these divisions is bugger all difference. At the weigh for the fight Mundine was 76.2 and Echols was 75.8. Yes Mundine is a bigger boxer with a bigger frame, but Echols is considered one of the hardest punchers pound for pound and often described as a one punch knock out.

Mundine won the fight because he out boxed Echols. Echols punched himself tired without landing enough damaging blows (you can't hurt what you can't hit). He wasn't able to cut the ring off and keep Mundine in the corners. Once he had punched himself tired, Mundine picked him off in the second half of the fight. Smart boxing on Mundine's behalf.

Cheers
MAH

[post="92128"][/post]​

4kgs is a lot in boxing echols had no power ive been watching the smw division for a while now and echols is a bum and green would have ko echols easy 4 round if that

ive heard people say hes a big puncher but not a smw i jus cant see it

 

[im_hoppin_mad]

mundine won the wba super middle weight tittle coz he fought someone smaller then him echols isnt a super middle weight hes a middle weight thats 2 divison under mundine

[post="92118"][/post]​

Actually a middle weight is only one division under super middle weight:

Junior middle weight = 69.9kg
Middle weight = 72.6kg
Super middle weight = 76.2kg

Going up or down one weight division is'nt uncommon and let's face it 3.6kg between these divisions is bugger all difference. At the weigh for the fight Mundine was 76.2 and Echols was 75.8. Yes Mundine is a bigger boxer with a bigger frame, but Echols is considered one of the hardest punchers pound for pound and often described as a one punch knock out.

Mundine won the fight because he out boxed Echols. Echols punched himself tired without landing enough damaging blows (you can't hurt what you can't hit). He wasn't able to cut the ring off and keep Mundine in the corners. Once he had punched himself tired, Mundine picked him off in the second half of the fight. Smart boxing on Mundine's behalf.

Cheers
MAH

[post="92128"][/post]​

4kgs is a lot in boxing echols had no power ive been watching the smw division for a while now and echols is a bum and green would have ko echols easy 4 round if that

ive heard people say hes a big puncher but not a smw i jus cant see it

[post="92157"][/post]​

This bout has been verified against a commission report Not verified (possibly inaccurate or incomplete)
date Kg opponent Kg wld last 6 location
2005-04-15 72.60 Kingsley Ikeke 72.10 22-1-0
Northern Quest Casino, Airway Heights, WA, USA L TKO 10 12
~ Time: 3:00 | Referee: Robert Howard | Judge: Barry Druxman 92-97 | Judge: Glen Hamada 92-97 | Judge: Alan Krebs 92-97 ~
IBF Middleweight Eliminator for the #2 Spot

2004-12-02 75.00 Jameel Wilson 75.00 13-6-2
Northern Quest Casino, Airway Heights, WA, USA W TKO 7 10
~ Time: 2:26 | Referee: Paul Field | 57-56 | 57-56 | 57-56 ~
Echols down in round six

2004-05-08 73.00 Ross Thompson 74.80 26-8-2
MGM Grand, Las Vegas, NV, USA W UD 10 10
~ Referee: Jay Nady | Judge: Paul Smith 98-90 | Judge: Dave Moretti 98-92 | Judge: Bill Graham 99-91 ~

2003-09-03 75.80 Anthony Mundine 76.20 18-1-0
Entertaiment Centre, Sydney, NSW, Australia L UD 12 12
~ Referee: Stanley Christodoulou | 112-117 | 112-117 | 114-115 ~
~ Vacant WBA Super Middleweight Title ~
The WBA Super Middleweight Title was vacated when Sven Ottke was upgraded to "Super" champion status

2002-08-03 75.70 Richard Grant 75.70 14-8-0
Dodge Theater, Phoenix, AZ, USA W TKO 3 12
~ Time: 0:59 | Referee: Tony Weeks | Judge: Howard Richey | Judge: Joe Garcia | Judge: Rocky Burke ~
~ NABF Super Middleweight Title ~
~ NABA Super Middleweight Title ~
IBF Super Middleweight Title Eliminator

2002-06-27 Oscar Bravo 16-1-0
Santa Ana Star Casino, Bernalillo, NM, USA W TKO 1 12
~ Time: 0:42 ~
~ NABF Super Middleweight Title ~

2002-04-09 76.20 Kabary Salem 76.00 16-1-0
Ramada Inn, Rosemont, IL, USA W UD 12 12
~ Referee: Timothy Adams | Judge: William Lerch | Judge: Jorge Dominguez | Judge: Crystal Wright ~
~ Vacant NABF Super Middleweight Title ~
Salem down in the 1st.

2001-12-21 73.94 Lawrence Chapman 73.90 16-0-0
Pechanga Entertainment Center, Temecula, CA, USA W DQ 5 12
~ Time: 2:47 ~
~ NABA Super Middleweight Title ~
Chapman disqualified for refusing to stop holding

2001-05-19 74.84 Charles Brewer 75.70 36-7-0
Mohegan Sun Casino, Uncasville, CT, USA W TKO 3 12
~ Time: 1:21 | Referee: Mike Ortega | Judge: Steve Epstein | Judge: Fred Ucci | Judge: George Smith ~
~ Vacant NABA Super Middleweight Title ~
Echols goes down three times in round two, but recovers in round three.

2000-12-01 72.60 Bernard Hopkins 71.90 37-2-1
Venetian Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, NV, USA L TKO 10 12
~ Time: 1:42 | Referee: Tony Weeks | Judge: Bill Graham 78-89 | Judge: Dave Moretti 78-89 | Judge: Robert Byrd 78-89 ~
~ IBF Middleweight Title ~
~Echols deducted two points in the 6th for bodyslamming Hopkins to the canvas, dislocating his shoulder.
Hopkins chooses to fight on rather than win by disqualification
Echols down in the 7th, Hopkins deducted a point in the 8th for holding behind the head.

2000-05-05 72.57 Lionel Ortiz 72.12 22-5-1
Cherokee Casino, Cherokee, NC, USA W TKO 7 12
~ Referee: Bill Clancy ~
~ Vacant NABF Middleweight Title ~
~ USBA Middleweight Title ~
Corner retirement

2000-02-17 74.84 Anthony Ivory 74.39 25-50-1
River Center, Davenport, IA, USA W UD 10 10
~ Judge: Mick Painter | Judge: Craig Cooper | Judge: Curt Washam ~

1999-12-12 72.57 Bernard Hopkins 71.90 35-2-1
Miccosukee Gaming Resort, Miami, FL, USA L UD 12 12
~ Referee: Frank Santore Jr. | Judge: Bill Ray 109-119 | Judge: Vaughn LaPrade 110-118 | Judge: John Rupert 110-118 ~
~ IBF Middleweight Title ~

1999-01-22 72.12 Roland Rangel 70.80 19-13-2
Horshoe Casino, Tunica, MS, USA W TKO 2 12
~ Time: 1:40 ~
~ NABF Middleweight Title ~
~ USBA Middleweight Title ~

1998-07-28 72.57 Urbano Gurrola 72.10 16-1-0
Horseshoe Casino, Tunica, MS, USA W TKO 6 12
~ Time: 1:03 ~
~ NABF Middleweight Title ~
~ USBA Middleweight Title ~

1998-04-07 72.12 Kevin Tillman 69.40 17-12-0
Harrahs Casino, Cherokee, NC, USA W TKO 8 12
~ Referee: Frank Cappuccino ~
~ NABF Middleweight Title ~
~ USBA Middleweight Title ~

1998-02-10 72.57 Brian Barbosa 72.12 23-3-0
Baton Rouge, LA, USA W KO 9 12
~ NABF Middleweight Title ~
~ USBA Middleweight Title ~

1997-09-30 74.39 Billy Robertson 10-7-0
Casino Magic, Bay St. Louis, MS, USA W KO 3 0
1997-07-27 70.80 Earl Monroe 72.60 10-1-2
Belle Casino, Baton Rouge, LA, USA W TKO 3 12
~ USBA Middleweight Title ~
Interim title

1997-05-20 74.80 Andre Haddock 76.20 14-0-0
Lyndhurst, NJ, USA W KO 3 8
1997-05-10 72.57 George Brown 76.20 8-8-0
Mark of the Quad Cities, Moline, IL, USA W TKO 6 8
~ Time: 2:58 ~

1996-12-06 76.20 Eric Lucas 76.20 21-3-2
Chicoutimi, QC, Canada D PTS 10 10
1996-11-29 74.84 Roy Hundley 74.80 0-19-0
Sullivan Center, Waterloo, IA, USA W KO 2 4
~ Time: 2:35 | Judge: Monte Cox | Judge: Tom Rusk ~

1996-10-11 76.66 Chris Johnson 76.66 15-0-0
Toronto, ON, Canada L MD 10 10
1996-03-30 Eric Crumble 0-8-0
Sullivan Center, Waterloo, IA, USA W TKO 1 6
~ Time: 1:25 | Judge: David Hess | Judge: Monte Cox | Judge: Tom Rusk ~

1995-12-09 73.03 Oscar Washington 72.12 4-24-3
Moline, IL, USA W TKO 4 0
1995-10-18 73.03 Marris Virgil 73.94 9-21-2
Moline, IL, USA W TKO 3 0
1995-05-13 72.57 Dan Butters 0-1-0
Davenport, IA, USA W KO 2 6
1995-03-01 71.21 Abdullah Ramadan 72.80 9-4-0
Memorial Auditorium, Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA W KO 2 6
~ Time: 2:23 | Referee: Jorge Alonso ~

1994-12-17 70.31 Edgar Borja 2-1-0
Ruminahui Coliseum, Quito, Ecuador W KO 2 0
1994-10-22 72.60 Joe Harris 72.60 8-3-1
Davenport, IA, USA W KO 3 10
Iowa State Middleweight Title

1994-10-08 72.12 Willie Perry 71.67 4-15-0
Sterling, IL, USA W KO 6 8
~ Referee: Pete Podgorski ~

1994-07-31 71.67 Tyrone Mack 73.03 4-15-0
Des Moines, IA, USA W KO 2 0
1994-07-01 72.12 Hector Ramirez 68.49 10-13-0
Davenport, IA, USA W KO 3 0
1994-01-08 72.57 Leon Shavers 74.39 0-10-0
Davenport, IA, USA W KO 1 0
1993-10-23 69.40 Clifton Woods 0-0-0
St. Joseph, MO, USA W KO 1 0
1993-07-31 71.67 Donald Tucker 73.48 3-13-0
Davenport, IA, USA W KO 1 4
1993-05-22 71.67 Anthony Ivory 65.77 10-14-0
Davenport, IA, USA L KO 1 0


echol fights retard like mundine most of the guys he fought had more losses the win go figure

 

[muga]

It will be a great fight either way, going for Green as I just can't stand Mundine just for the way he talks himself up.

It would be a great fight to go see, just wonder what the price of tickets will be.

 

[user 384]

Paul Cupitt wrote an article about Mundine vs Green back in September. I think it sums up the fight perfectly:

Its the Ali-Frazier of Australian Boxing, a sporting rivalry that every Australian has their own opinion on boxing fan or not. On one hand you have the flashy skills of the self proclaimed Black Superman and former NRL star Anthony The Man Mundine, who has made as many headlines with his calls and taunts outside of the ring as he has in, while on the other hand you have the devastating puncher from Western Australia, Danny The Green Machine Green, who does most of his talking in the ring.

The outspoken NRL star Anthony Mundine made the shock announcement that he was leaving his $600,000 a year contract with rugby league club St George-Illawarra to become a professional boxer. From his first professional bout Mundine attracted large media attention, most of them wondering if he could produce his form on the rugby league field in the boxing ring and follow in his fathers footsteps to become one of Australias greatest ever boxers. In just his 11th professional fight Mundine challenged long-time IBF super middleweight champion Sven Ottke from Germany, losing by knockout in round 10. However two years and eight wins later Mundine achieved his goal when he outpointed American Antwun Echols over 12 rounds in Sydney to win the vacant WBA super middleweight title. In just his 2nd title defence Mundine lost his title to Puerto Rican Manny Siaca via 12 round split decision. Mundine came back with three straight stoppage victories before challenging again for the WBA title, this time losing by unanimous decision to the new champ Mikkel Kessler. In his most recent outing, Mundine stopped African Rashid Matumla in round 6 last Wednesday.

Sydney Olympian Danny Green turned professional in 2001 and built up an impressive 15-fight winning streak, all inside the distance. Following his 5th round knockout win over Jason Delisle, Green signed to fight WBC super middleweight champion Markus Beyer. Green had the German down in rounds 1 and 2, but was controversially disqualified in round 5 after a cut over Beyers left eye was ruled to be caused by an intentional head butt. After failing to secure a rematch with the German, Green met former WBC champion Eric Lucas of Canada for the interim title. Lucas, who had dropped a controversial 12 round decision to Beyer earlier in the year, was stopped in 6 rounds. It took Green another 12 months to finally get the rematch with Beyer. In a disappointing and unusually tame performance by Greens standards, he lost by majority points decision. Green came back with a win over journeyman James Crawford, before signing to fight American Scott Pemberton in a WBC Eliminator. The Pemberton fight was cancelled two weeks ago after Green broke 2 bones in his back while sparring, and is expected to be out of training for at least a month. The fight itself has the makings of either a classic or a mismatch. Green has had trouble with boxers of a similar style to Mundine, where Mundine has had trouble with similar boxers to Green.

Green has shown problems against a quick, accurate jab like in the early rounds against Eric Lucas, as well as trouble against fast hands and a tight defence in his rematch loss to Markus Beyer. There is no super-middleweight with the hand speed of Mundine. Choc also has a tight defence, so one could easily say Mundine will be too quick and crafty for Green and that if Beyer can outbox Green, then Mundine will take him to school.

On the other hand, Mundine has had trouble with tall, strong fighters who possess world-class power and a hard accurate jab, as shown in his losses to Manny Siaca and Mikkel Kessler. He has also shown a questionable chin particularly in his loss to Sven Ottke. Danny Green is a tall fighter with a hard accurate jab, as well as incredible physical strength and world-class power, so it is just as easy to say that Danny Green will prove too strong and powerful for Mundine and that if Ottke can knock Mundine out, then Green could definitely knock him out.

But really, what is this fight all about? Is it that Australia has two world ranked fighters in the same weight class and the public just wants to know who the best really is? Or is there more behind the Green-Mundine rivalry. An unbiased look at the two fighters and it seems right now that none of them are headed towards world-class greatness. Both fighters have shown inconsistent form against world-class opposition. Mundine looked like a man who had been boxing for 15 years instead of 5 when he put on a clinic against Antwun Echols, but he looked like a fighter with no game plan when Manny Siaca put him under pressure, while Danny Green appeared ready to beat any man in the world when he stopped Eric Lucas in 6, but gave the impression of being a one-dimensional fighter in his rematch with Markus Beyer. So while its not a foregone conclusion that none of these men will be remembered as all-time great world-class boxers, I think its safe to say neither man is going to be mentioned alongside the names of Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard and Muhammad Ali when talking about all-time greats. I think in order to be able to answer the question of what this fight is really all about; a closer look at who both of these fighters really are is needed. Most Australians know who Danny Green and Anthony Mundine are now, but if we go back to January 2002, when this rivalry starts, did regular Australians know who both Danny Green and Anthony Mundine were then? Ever since Mundine has turned pro, Australian boxing legend Jeff Fenech has voiced his disapproval at the huge media coverage of Mundine after only one professional fight, where other Australian boxers dont receive media coverage until they are fighting for a world title. Following Mundines knockout loss to Sven Ottke, Fenech labelled Mundine sleeping beauty, which only added to the rivalry between the two men. Following Mundines comeback points win over Brad Mayo, Mundine called out Jeff Fenech for a fight later that year, and also called a man named Danny Green a bum and claimed he would knock him out. Most of us (me included) thought, whos Danny Green?

Danny Green was one of Jeff Fenechs latest signing, and was 7-0 with 7 knockouts at that stage. Most people, outside of hardcore Australian boxing fans, didnt know who Danny Green was. Now Im not trying to discredit Green here with what I say, but why should they know who he was? Im sure if I asked average Australians who Daniel Geale, Billy Dib and Jamie Pittman were, they would look at me like I had two heads. Those three fighters at this point in their career have all achieved what Danny Green had at that stage of his career, and that is in no way knocking their current achievements, Im just pointing out that boxing is no longer a mainstream sport in Australia and mainstream media coverage is normally reserved for the big names like Kostya Tszyu rather then prospects like Geale, Pittman and Dib or at this stage, a 7-0 Danny Green.

Now most of you will probably ask what Anthony Mundine had done at that stage of his career to deserve the media attention he received, and you have a good point. If Mundine wasn't the ex Rugby League star, with the Australian Boxing Legend father who isn't afraid to say what he believes, then Im sure he wouldnt have received the mainstream media coverage he has as well. But Mundine at that stage was all of those things as well as Australias best self-promoter, so its easy to see why he has received the media coverage he has.

So again, what is this rivalry really all about? Because it started when neither boxer was a major world-class contender, it cant be that Australians just want to see which of our world-class super middleweights is the best. What Danny Green vs Anthony Mundine is really all about, is Anthony Mundine!

We all know Mundine is a love him or hate him type guy, everyone knows that,
Its a fact. So what did those people who dont love Anthony Mundine think when they heard there was an Australian (Australian being the key word) fighter in the same weight division as Mundine who might have the tools to beat him? They began to support that other Australian fighter. Again, I am not having a go at Danny Green here; if I am having a go at anyone its the Australian public outside of hardcore boxing fans and the mainstream media, but these Australians who dont like Anthony Mundine needed someone positive to vent their dislike towards The Man into, and that man was Danny Green. So what did the mainstream Australian media do when they figured this out? They started covering Danny Green and talking up the fight between the two of them, and can you blame them? The media has turned this into THE biggest rivalry in Australian boxing history, and one of, if not the biggest rivalry
in Australian sporting history. This whole rivalry is because sport in Australia is huge, and a lot of people dont like Anthony Mundine, who is and was even at that stage one of Australias biggest sporting stars, and thats where Danny Green comes into it.

This rivalry is a product of media hype based around the fact that a lot of people want to see Anthony Mundine get knocked out because of his out of the ring actions, and those who are fans of Mundine want to see Mundine permanently silence the critics in a big way. The Mundine fans needed a villain and the Mundine haters needed a hero, and Danny Green fits the description for both parties perfectly. So what the Mundine-Green rivalry is really all about is Anthony Mundine. We can argue over who is the better fighter and who is going to win their fight if and when it does happen, and youll probably find that the majority of people interested in this fight have no room for middle ground, they are 100% behind Mundine and think he is that much better then Green, or 100% the other way. I think if anyone stops and takes a rational look at it, they will agree that these two fighters are a lot more even people think, if one is to completely outclass the other it is for the simple reason that in boxing matches styles make fights and one mans style suited the other. However the fact remains, this fight has been made because of Anthony Mundine, love him or hate him, hes the best self promoting sports star in the country.

 

[Mr Bond]

Meathead Vs Meathead :lol:

 

[Kai]

But as I said I don't care if Mundine loses, he's still a top class boxer. You can't take away the fact that he won the WBA Super-Middleweight Championship of the World. Get in the ring with him and he could smack the crap out of anyone on this forum.

I reckon most of us could brew a better beer than him, though.

 

[Boozy the clown]

Mundine is actually a very nice bloke in person. I didnt like him with all his tv hype and talking it up, but he really is a polite and cool bloke the few times i have met him.

I reckon Green is a nice enough bloke too, he didnt punch me or the other four blokes in the face when we were lined up behind his wife at coles at broadway. Didnt we all sh*t our pants when he turned up and stood next to his missus!