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Rustyc30

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A call out to all you conical owners out there. The minster for finance had a weak moment and said I could buy a Conical just wanted to see where some good places are to look and what did people pick them up for to give me an idea of whats a good deal

Cheers
 
There is an ebay seller called homebrewhousediscount in the US. He has conicals from time to time. A few people here have reported good experiences with him - the price is right, I think they come in around $400 Aussie landed. Do some searches for the thread...
 
$400? ....^_^

Thanks for the info GH, an early Dad's day present worth thinking about
 
Ahhhh but is that for a 50 liter one with heaqdspace?
 
I had a longer post typed out pleading you not to buy a conical. I have fried that (as per the current post) and ask why?

Why buy a conical that is finding dis-favour in professional circles overseas? Why buy a fermenter that encourages yeast autolysis? Why buy a fermenter where you cannot crop Ale yeast from the top? Why buy a fermenter that without double or tri- zone chilling will not work properly?

Best bet is to buy a nice dish bottomed fermenter (like a 30l plastic drum), brew and then filter beer (buy a filter from Ross et al) to cellar tank (cube?) if your hell bent on things. A conical will not bring you any better beer, and is much more expensive.

Sorry, hate the things!

Scotty
 
Hi Rustyc,


We have 25L ones in stock (not on our site) for $350 & we have 30L, 50L & 100L Blichmann style conicals on the way.
Drop us a line if interested.

Ross
CraftBrewer (totally affiliated ;) )
 
I'm not massively keen on them myself when it comes down to dinky little ones, but why do you think they encourage autolysis?
 
is there anything you dont have ross???
 
I'm not massively keen on them myself when it comes down to dinky little ones, but why do you think they encourage autolysis?

Tall, massive steel tubes (for as little as 1200HL) make for silly osmotic pressures and forces. A supplier of mine has been working on yeast core temperature of cones in fermenters. The findings come thru that the measured temperature of the centre of the cone (due to pressure of said CCV's) was way above healthy limits for yeasties (>10 degress C from the prescribed tank temp), creating more than one pre-cursor for autolytic conditions and an increase in 'off' profiles.

Alot of CCV's were meant to be used as unitanks - ferment and condition in one tank. This is also in question as different yeast (and withing re-pitches) behave differently; some will compact neatly, some not so much. So, if 30% of your yeast forms a plug on the side of the cone how do you get it out?? You cant get in and give it a stir as it will go back in to suspension. What about rousing?? If you did that with 900,000 Hl of beer how would CO2 nucleate? When the beer erupts out the man way and causes a flood down the streets how do you tell the boss (or SWMBO) ... and yes this has happened...

Without proper cooling zones I would also be skeptical that you can manage the convection of the ferment/condition to achieve your desired aims on any size CCV. Convection is deliberately used in the ferment and conditioning cycles in CCV's to lift yeast or compress into the cone. So what do you want a CCV for? Yeast concentration?

Imagine a lovely dish bottomed fermenter. A 30l plastic drum has a sort-of dish. With a filter from someone like a sponsor (AKA Ross) you concentrate yeast in a much more manageable and organized fashion... aka you do it quicker and in a more beneficial way... with money left over to buy a mill ... or more kegs... or more kegs and malt and hops and a mill....

Scotty
 
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Tall, massive steel tubes (for as little as 1200HL) make for silly osmotic pressures and forces. A supplier of mine has been working on yeast core temperature of cones in fermenters. The findings come thru that the measured temperature of the centre of the cone (due to pressure of said CCV's) was way above healthy limits for yeasties (>10 degress C from the prescribed tank temp), creating more than one pre-cursor for autolytic conditions and an increase in 'off' profiles.

Alot of CCV's were meant to be used as unitanks - ferment and condition in one tank. This is also in question as different yeast (and withing re-pitches) behave differently; some will compact neatly, some not so much. So, if 30% of your yeast forms a plug on the side of the cone how do you get it out?? You cant get in and give it a stir as it will go back in to suspension. What about rousing?? If you did that with 900,000 Hl of beer how would CO2 nucleate? When the beer erupts out the man way and causes a flood down the streets how do you tell the boss (or SWMBO) ... and yes this has happened...

Without proper cooling zones I would also be skeptical that you can manage the convection of the ferment/condition to achieve your desired aims on any size CCV. Convection is deliberately used in the ferment and conditioning cycles in CCV's to lift yeast or compress into the cone. So what do you want a CCV for? Yeast concentration?

Imagine a lovely dish bottomed fermenter. A 30l plastic drum has a sort-of dish. With a filter from someone like a sponsor (AKA Ross) you concentrate yeast in a much more manageable and organized fashion... aka you do it quicker and in a more beneficial way... with money left over to buy a mill ... or more kegs... or more kegs and malt and hops and a mill....

Scotty


Yeah, I understand the issues involved with the really big ones, I thought this thread was more about their baby brothers. Like, down to 30 litres or so. It does all come down to size and I doubt the original poster is after the kind of capacity you're talking about but I guess we can consider him duly warned ;)
 
Tall, massive steel tubes (for as little as 1200HL) make for silly osmotic pressures and forces. A supplier of mine has been working on yeast core temperature of cones in fermenters. The findings come thru that the measured temperature of the centre of the cone (due to pressure of said CCV's) was way above healthy limits for yeasties (>10 degress C from the prescribed tank temp), creating more than one pre-cursor for autolytic conditions and an increase in 'off' profiles.
I appreciate your views, and this is an interesting point you make Scotty, however I fail to see how this argument stacks up on a homebrew scale!
Are we talking about tall steel conicals here with massive pressures in the cone, or short squat conicals for the homebrewer that are no taller than a typical HDPE fermenter?
Comparing the two is chalk and cheese.

I fail to see how yeast autolysis will be any worse in a 30-50Ltr conical (Blichman, etc.) than a cheap plastic fermenter of similar volume, given they will have roughly the same liquid depth (perhaps deeper in the case of the plastic fermenter).
Also, how would skimming yeast be any different to opening up a plastic fermenter lid with sterilised spoon in hand?

I don't own a conical myself, though would happily switch over for the various benefits they offer.
Now, Rustyc, please get your SWMBO to contact my SWMBO, and I'll be a happy man next birthday :lol:
 
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