KegLand Questions and Answers

[floppy]

Big thanks to the Kegland crew for sorting out my order stuffup very quickly.

 

[FarsideOfCrazy]

Hi @KegLand-com-au, when will the fc disconnects be back in stock?

 

[York]

I think we have come to the conclusion it is not illegal to sell this as a component. People make their own control panels and wire up 240v elements etc. for Christ sake.

Also, on the 'CE' sore point @York it might not have an official standing in AUS but think of it this way: If a car has a 5 star NCAP rating in Europe and you import it, are you going to disregard that and consider than it has a zero ANCAP? no, I don't think so

Lets all move on.

Try importing a car from Europe without having all the Australian approvals. Think that answers that nicely. You can sell anything if you like but you can be sure its illegal to plug it into the mains without the right certification. People might very well do it but that does not make it legal. Its not responsible to encourage it. Check Bunnings and the like. Maybe ask a car importer or two what they have to go through to make it legal to bring cars from overseas to drive here.

 

[Bendymann]

Try importing a car from Europe without having all the Australian approvals. Think that answers that nicely. You can sell anything if you like but you can be sure its illegal to plug it into the mains without the right certification. People might very well do it but that does not make it legal. Its not responsible to encourage it. Check Bunnings and the like. Maybe ask a car importer or two what they have to go through to make it legal to bring cars from overseas to drive here.

You obviously have no idea how standards and approvals work.... Look it up. All you have to do is prove comlipiance at request. If it was tested to a standard that exceeds Australian, you don't need to retest, only provide the test standards.... Look it up and stop being so dense. Take your argument elsewhere, we're all sick of it.

 

[Ferment8]

Hi @KegLand-com-au, when will the fc disconnects be back in stock?

I'd like to know too please

 

[York]

You obviously have no idea how standards and approvals work.... Look it up. All you have to do is prove comlipiance at request. If it was tested to a standard that exceeds Australian, you don't need to retest, only provide the test standards.... Look it up and stop being so dense. Take your argument elsewhere, we're all sick of it.

 

[Half-baked]

Not sure why the conspiracy theory about the CE. They’ve been very open that they’re selling their products all over the world, makes sense that they will put Euro compliance markings even if selling that product in oz...

 

[Moad]

Still on track for first week of April for fermzilla 50L?

 

[ThirstyFish]

If KL have broken the law, take it up with them directly and/or report it to the appropriate authorities.

This is meant to be a Q&A thread. Everything after your first post (and KL's response) is just diatribe.

 

[Cian Doyle]

I had a few moments at work yesterday, and checked the National Certification Database and could not find any electrical appliances with certification from Keg Land. So I can't see any point in the CE etc etc debate going anywhere. Best leave it be.

 

[nickolai]

Any ETA for the fermzilla yet?

 

[rizrah]

We have the first shipment of these arriving end of Feb.

Any Update on The MaltZilla Mill?

 

[Reg Holt]

Any Update on The MaltZilla Mill?

They are in stock, they just haven't bothered photographing it yet, maybe they are making a video.

 

[fdsaasdf]

Hi @KegLand-com-au what length are the 1.5" TC sight glasses you've listed recently?

Also, I am keen on a 1/2" threaded sight glass for hot-side, is this something you are planning to release?

 

[RRising]

@KegLand-com-au If i buy the voltage controller will that resolve the overboil issue i have with my RoboBrew V3? 1900W element is too powerful and always overboils and 500W isn't powerful enough to maintain a nice boil.

With this can i control the voltage? turn the 1900W down to keep it boiling nicely?

 

[AlexB]

@KegLand-com-au If i buy the voltage controller will that resolve the overboil issue i have with my RoboBrew V3? 1900W element is too powerful and always overboils and 500W isn't powerful enough to maintain a nice boil.

With this can i control the voltage? turn the 1900W down to keep it boiling nicely?

I use fermcap, works brilliantly, 2-3 drops is all it takes.

 

[RRising]

I use fermcap, works brilliantly, 2-3 drops is all it takes.

Hmm, might give this a go.

 

[tomjhogwash]

Are you boiling with the lid on?

@KegLand-com-au If i buy the voltage controller will that resolve the overboil issue i have with my RoboBrew V3? 1900W element is too powerful and always overboils and 500W isn't powerful enough to maintain a nice boil.

With this can i control the voltage? turn the 1900W down to keep it boiling nicely?

 

[RRising]

Are you boiling with the lid on?

It doesn't matter, it overboils with or without the lid.

As @AlexB suggested. i bought 2 bottles of Fermcap (had to justify the $13 shipping fee for a $4 product) and will give it a go next brew.

 

[nifty]

Hi Kegland, when are you expecting the oxygen regulator for the disposable O2 cylinders, KL02165, to be back in stock?

 

[AlexB]

It doesn't matter, it overboils with or without the lid.

As @AlexB suggested. i bought 2 bottles of Fermcap (had to justify the $13 shipping fee for a $4 product) and will give it a go next brew.

That is exactly what I did, you wont regret it.

 

[Engibeer]

Hi Kegland, when are you expecting the oxygen regulator for the disposable O2 cylinders, KL02165, to be back in stock?

also eagerly awaiting

 

[RRising]

That is exactly what I did, you wont regret it.

I hope so, so what do you do with it, add a few drops when its about to boil or during the mash in stage?

 

[Grmblz]

I hope so, so what do you do with it, add a few drops when its about to boil or during the mash in stage?

Have a quick read of this, all will be explained including the dosage rates. http://brulosophy.com/2014/10/02/fermcap-s-the-magical-cure-for-boilovers/ btw it's the same product distillers use in their washes. Cheers G

 

[enoch]

I hope so, so what do you do with it, add a few drops when its about to boil or during the mash in stage?

In the boiler.

 

[AlexB]

I hope so, so what do you do with it, add a few drops when its about to boil or during the mash in stage?

Read that article that Grmblz linked, then everything else on that site... I add 3 drops in the boil once my RoboBrew hits around 90-95C I dont think it matters if you add it earlier though. Sometimes I get a thin layer of thick brown foam on the top and sometimes not. I have never had a boilover since using it though

 

[sp0rk]

If KL have broken the law, take it up with them directly and/or report it to the appropriate authorities.

This is meant to be a Q&A thread. Everything after your first post (and KL's response) is just diatribe.

I love how most of the posts jumping in to say "get off Keg Land's back!" are people who've been around for under a year and have less than 10 posts...

 

[KegLand-com-au]

Wonderful if you make that clear to customers on this thread so its good that people know. As I said even Bunnings advises this. However still does not address the CE thing being stuck on there as that is a complete misdirection. The last thing you want to do is for people to think its got CE so it must be ok when that is not relevant in the slightest. When people buy this stuff then they should factor in getting a sparky to do the wiring up job rather than be tempted to do it themselves which is why I think its not a responsible thing. Surely you would not argue otherwise.

CE is not a certification that ESV or other regulators in Australia look for. As an electrical component does not require certification as it's not yet been made into an appliance. With the absence of an applicable and/or mandatory approval in Australia we have at the very least used CE as we believe that the CE mark (which does require electrical components like this to be certified in Europe) at a minimum shows that the component meets a high bar with respect to safety. Furthermore we have already orders getting shipped to Europe and we do have European customers who require CE approvals and they also read this forum and I am confident they would be happy to know that the power supplies do have CE. In fact the first shipments will arrive to www.olbrygging.no very soon and we have some retailers pre-selling these in Europe already as you can see here: https://bryggmann.no/produkt/flasking/cannular-can-seamer-forhandsbestilling

So ultimately you have several options:
1. You are in Australia > therefore no mandatory electrical certification is required for an electrical component that is un-wired and sold without cords attached and has not yet been mounted in housing. We recommend you to mount in housing and if you read the instructions then you would be aware that re have said this needs to be done by a qualified electrician.
2. You are in Europe > Therefore you can purchase this power supply and use it as it's already got the CE approvals
3. You don't fit into the categories then you have the option to run the machine with one of these cables:
https://www.kegland.com.au/2m-power...la-40amp-anderson-plug-x-alligator-clips.html
4. If you do not want the hassle of finding a power supply you can purchase a power supply elsewhere as the Canning machine runs on a wide range of voltages from 12v up to 24v.
5. You are in America > If this is the case we have some 110-120v power supplies that are being sold with these that are a little different and there has already been some discussions with https://www.morebeer.com/ that we will produce another model with the power supply integrated inside the body of the unit as another option.

So as far as we are concerned we have really gone to some considerable effort to give our customers both locally and overseas as many options as possible and irrespective of where these are being sold they are compliant with mandatory approvals in the respective countries where they are being sold.

 

[TheBeerBaron]

I love how most of the posts jumping in to say "get off Keg Land's back!" are people who've been around for under a year and have less than 10 posts...

You don’t have to be a founding member to call out sh*t posting trolls..

Maybe some one could start a “whine about Kegland” thread and people can go their hardest in that.

 

[KegLand-com-au]

Hi @KegLand-com-au, when will the fc disconnects be back in stock?

Sorry about the long wait on these. We are still making these in small quantities and it's a time consuming processes as you can see from these videos:

http://www.kegland.com.au/media/video/Video 1.mp4
http://www.kegland.com.au/media/video/Video 2.mp4
http://www.kegland.com.au/media/video/Video 3.mp4

Eventually we will be automating the manufacture of these a bit more in future but it's still a bit slow at the moment as you can see from the video. It seems like the flow control disconnects are quite a popular product so we are going to increase our inventory of these in future. At the moment they are due back in stock on the 26th April.