I want to get elected!

[Phoney]

OK I've also had a look (albiet brief flick through) at the Greens policies, and I haven't seen anything relating to "locking up and locking out" Nat Parks. Although national parks are managed by state governments. Can you kindly point this out?

Not sure of this is related, but I like 4WD'ing, camping and fishing. Sometimes I do hear older campers whinging that a lot of the firetrails have been locked to vehicle traffic, that 20 or 30 years ago were open.

While I can see their gripe, these are places that are within 2 to 3 hours drive from Sydney. I guess the thing is that the population has grown a lot since then, so too has the number of people owning 4WD's. There are thousands of other tracks that they can go on if they just go farther out. I never have any trouble locating tracks. I've seen the destructive damage that overused tracks / campsites can end up in and it isnt pretty so I can see exactly where NPWS are coming from when they decide to close tracks. Plus from my experience (one of my best mates is a National park ranger) it's usually those ******** who do things like build bonfires on picnic tables, do burnouts in campsites, leave rubbish everywhere etc that see places closed rather than politicians. There's still nothing stopping you from going in on foot or mountain bike, exercise is always good.

 

[Camo6]

The greens would love to be able to lockup and lockout National Parks and anywhere else that had trees and small fury animals. (snip).

This might not be such a bad thing. I hear they're dangerous if cornered.

 

[Fish13]

Yes the national parks are a state issue as i have in an email from a dirt bike rider.

the minorities ruin it for the majority and those 4wd clubs that maintain tracks should be praised and supported for the effort they do.

 

[Fish13]

Areas that are now longer public access? i will need to check accordingly are the mackerel islands and large groups who have previously stayed at steep point are being turned away.

 

[manticle]

Were the greens responsible for that fish? Have reasons been given as to why access is restricted?

 

[bum]

Yes the national parks are a state issue as i have in an email from a dirt bike rider.

Can't see any good reason to be quoting this. No, sir.

Have reasons been given as to why access is restricted?

It's fun.

Duh.

 

[Dave70]

Yes the national parks are a state issue as i have in an email from a dirt bike rider.

the minorities ruin it for the majority and those 4wd clubs that maintain tracks should be praised and supported for the effort they do.

Come on fish. We all know there's 4wd'ing and 4wd'ing. You really think that guy with 35s, a four inch lift and lockers both ends who dropped thousands on his truck just to drive along a track that could be negotiated by a ******* Suburu? You really think a few saplings are going to bother him if he needs to make a detour? What about people like me who couldn't be arsed joining a club but still want to enjoy the bush? Since plenty of access round my way is controlled by clubs, where are my rights? Where's my set of keys? I'm a responsible bush user, why should I have to endure the company of people I'd otherwise have nothing to do with, be obliged to spend hours dragging rubbish and burnt out car bodies from bushland on clean up days just to gain access to a ******* fire trail?


I'm no great fan of the greens, but running around blaming them for all our access woes is becoming the mantra of the moron.

 

[treefiddy]

One more time for the deaf.

Which actual policies of the greens are nuts? Which actual policies make them kooks?

"Genetically manipulated organisms (GMOs), their products, and the chemicals used to manage them, pose unacceptable threats to ecosystems."

"Nuclear power is not a safe, clean, timely, economic or practical solution to reducing global greenhouse gas emissions."

 

[mash head]

Some of the ideas within agenda 21 are out there and the Greens support that. If population control is such a great idea let the ideas creator be the first to top themselves.

 

[Bridges]

I own a 4wd. I love camping with my family, I love the peace and quiet and tranquillity of our national parks and state forests. I also hate cleaning up six bags of rubbish before I put up my tent. I hate seeing locked and lifted fourby owners making their own tracks. I hate hearing revving bikes/jetskis/speedboats/generators. I hate people that light a massive fire (in a new spot not an existing pit) and think that throwing empty stubbies and cans in makes them disappear. I hate idiots that leave fish guts all over any facility within 500metres of a boat ramp. I'm happy to pay to camp in a national park and this is generally the case to fund clean up and track maintenance as caused by morons. The reason people have been barred from fire trails and various other areas is because of morons. There are heaps of responsible 4wd/boat/gun owners, problem is there are irresponsible ones also. This goes for any part of society you want to mention. I'm happy to have to jump through a few hoops if it means I don't have to put up with morons, and the destruction they seem to unleash all in the name of a good time.

 

[benno1973]

"Genetically manipulated organisms (GMOs), their products, and the chemicals used to manage them, pose unacceptable threats to ecosystems."

"Nuclear power is not a safe, clean, timely, economic or practical solution to reducing global greenhouse gas emissions."

Are you arguing that nuclear power is clean and safe?

I don't necessarily agree with both the above policies, but I don't think these policies make them kooks?

 

[wakkatoo]

I hate hearing revving jet skis.

This, on inland waters. Especially when about 10m behind the person I'm towing. The temptation to turn around and do they same to them is almost overwhelming. Its only because I consider myself a responsible boat owner that I don't.

As for the reason for this thread, only skimmed through but like others, well done on putting your hand up, takes guts. Looks like many don't agree with you, but show me a politician that has 100% support. Hell, in this climate, show me one with more than 50%
For all its faults, that's one thing this country does have going for it - the ability to voice your opinion and people decide with pen and paper (rather than a gun as an eg.) if they do or don't agree.

 

[Fish13]

Dave70,

There are two tracks looked after by clubs but the public have access down here. they been closed due to rain though. these are not easy Subaru tracks.

Dave you then need to seek out the STG candidate in your state and get his response to this. In more detail.

 

[Dave70]

Are you arguing that nuclear power is clean and safe?

I don't necessarily agree with both the above policies, but I don't think these policies make them kooks?

Kooks? No.
Demonstratively ignorant and (ill) uninformed, more so.

Both these issues, correctly or even amateurishly spun, have an almost Joseph Kony-ish effect and display a similar level of insight by the outraged facebooker's

 

[benno1973]

Demonstratively ignorant and (ill) uninformed, more so.

In what way? Both these policies are divisive issues that have legitimate arguments, both for and against. Their policy happens to be against, which may be contra to yours, but how does that make them uninformed on either of these statements?

 

[Phoney]

"Nuclear power is not a safe, clean, timely, economic or practical solution to reducing global greenhouse gas emissions."

The Coalition and the ALP aren't buying into nuclear power either. The biggest challenge that they will face is that no residents will allow one to be built anywhere near where they live. They would need to be built on the coast / waterfront within several hundred kilometres from major cities.

The freedom and gun-nut party that fish has associated with himself (LDP) have on their website that nuclear power is safe and clean etc, but that governments shouldn't ever be in the power generation business and shouldn't be subsidizing it either. The problem with this argument is that there inst one nuclear power plant in the world which was build and run by 100% private capital. Not even one. Now what does that tell you?

 

[manticle]

Yes, try the books that set Muslim Brotherhood world view.

They want to establish a Global Sunni Caliphate. The instruction to kill all not believers stands, but they are allowed to ignore it until they are in a position to win outright. So the goal is to colonise western nations, build power and strength, and then strike. You should read: http://www.qsociety.org.au/qonjihad.pdf

The Muslim Brotherhood of course operates here in Australia openly. It's interesting that their views are intensely and dangerously radical, even against the propaganda put out about parties like one nation - yet the left wing liberals pay them 0 attention at all.

I really resent the charges of racism. I was actually a member of the Greens for many years but their behaviour both stopping me gathering food and voting against the Carbon price really pissed me off. As did organising the '99%' rallies/riots in the CBDs of Sydney and Melbourne.
It took me a long time and lot of life experience to realise that Islam is just bad news for Australia. The Greens are miopic. The idea that you can be both homosexual, or a feminist, or an environmentalist, and embrace Islam - is nuts.

Political correctness gone wrong.

Ok I'm backtracking but I have a few minutes in front of a proper PC.

I can't see how that utterly biased article from a group setting themselves iup specifically in opposition to Islam is going to tell me much. I might as well offer a crikey article up as some kind of reference.

Let me make my position clear though - I am entirely opposed to the idea of overt religious influence on the laws or culture of the country in which I live. That goes for any and all religions. I am an atheist and I wish to continue to live as one freely. Any and all religious interference in my life or in the laws of the country, I will resist.

The problem with the anti-Islam push or demonisation as I see it is that it creates further divides and encourages the intolerance and ethnic/religious/cultural division it pretends to be opposing. people have done the same to the Jews for years. There are zealots and nutters with a basis in any religion you'd care to name. Violence is committed in the name of the bible every day. Do you hold all Christians responsible?

Do I believe Islam should be subject to the same scrutiny as any other belief? Do I believe it should be open to criticism as an spiritual belief should be? Yes. Do I believe that bigots are developing agendas based on unfair assessment of adherents of one particular religion currently? Yes. This kind of bigotry is insidious and does not behove intelligent people to follow it. For every nasty verse in the Koran or written by some idiotic Islamist fundamentalist body, I could find one in the Bible or a biblical pamphlet, one in those stupid books the hare Krsnas sell, one in the Torah and some zionist codswallop and probably one in whatever texts the Rosicrucians use.

Stop the islamisation of schools??? What the **** are they on about. Sounds like the moron on British TV protesting in the streets of London against the 'muslamic law they're bringin' in ovah Loondon'

What law?

'The muslamic one. They're bringin' it ovah Loondon'. This kind of bigotry appeals to the dumbest of the dumb which is where people like One nation will get the majority of their support. Before it was Asians and aboriginals/indigenous. Now it's Muslims and multiculturalism. They have some far more humanist policies I'll grant (their stance on Euthanasia for example) but they are and have always had a racialist barrow to push. They, and their ilk are creating as many issues as Islamists.

@Camo6 - Of course there might be loons in the party. That's not my point. There is a push by major parties and the media to "stop the loons' and it simply means no-one has to counter their policies. It creates an irritating mob mentality where everyone assumes the slogan or dogma to be correct. It's like the libs push to continually paint Labor as bad fiscal managers. No-one ever actually examines if it's crrect. In this case though there is bipartisan support for this smear campaign and it's unintelligent and misleading. Debate the policies or push whichever party you follow to develop similar or counter policies. ORP want to 'stop the greens' but don't actually have an answer to any other Green's policies besides possibly one or two relating to the environment. I expect more in an opponent.

A lot of waffle and I have loads more to say but I need to get back to work.

 

[manticle]

For what it's worth I don't even see Hanson as a lunatic - just an ignorant, bigoted, populist. Her policies sound like they were written by someone in Year 10 who's better at home ec. than they are at English.

If she's so insistent that all migrants here be able to speak it, I'd like to see her take some ******* lessons.

Pastor Danny Nalliah on the other hand is a bit mad.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

@Dave70. I have the same issues as motorcyclist. You will allways get one ******** spoiling it for the majority. Every time I see a bike doing 400mph, pulling monoes or riding in thongs and shorts I feel like pulling them aside and pointing out that they are ******* it up for the rest of us. Unfortunatly it will never work as these type of citizens just DGAF.

 

[Dave70]

In what way? Both these policies are divisive issues that have legitimate arguments, both for and against. Their policy happens to be against, which may be contra to yours, but how does that make them uninformed on either of these statements?

Nukes = lots of clean power.
GMO = lots of poor people fed.

When the greens can present a viable alternative, they'll have an argument worth considering.

It's this ****** mindset that men in labcoats are subversively plotting our destruction we need to shake.