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Darren,

Come back later when you have built your 100%-stainless-steel brewery and show us how wrong we were. Careful though, we might not all be dead from contaminants in our breweries built from components financially accessible to the average home brewer.

I'm sure it's quite nice in the ideal world. I'm told the beer is free, and they've never heard of iso-hop.
 
none of it can change the fact that when he changed the hose the problem went away.
And the 'finger-in-their-ears-shouting-I'm-not-listening' award goes to....

As for those that claim the hose may have been the source of an infection that may have been the cause, they have obviously never done a no-chill.
Non sequitur much?

As stated earlier - those are entirely different plastics. Why shouldn't it be possible for a piece of hose to be comprimised, and become a haven for infection, even if that's not what happened here? Are you suggesting that the process of no-chill is proof that hot plastics can't get infections?
 
Wow...This thread certainly got the Indians off the reservation !
Have enjoyed watching the responses. ( Ive got silicon hoses BTW)
 
And the 'finger-in-their-ears-shouting-I'm-not-listening' award goes to....


Non sequitur much?

As stated earlier - those are entirely different plastics. Why shouldn't it be possible for a piece of hose to be comprimised, and become a haven for infection, even if that's not what happened here? Are you suggesting that the process of no-chill is proof that hot plastics can't get infections?

Your Honour, I rest my case.

-BD
 
Wow...This thread certainly got the Indians off the reservation !
Have enjoyed watching the responses. ( Ive got silicon hoses BTW)

This is what I'm running

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Thought it was silicone

Looks like only high temp rubber..............DOH

Tube: Black Versigard (EPDM)
Reinforcement: 2-Spiral Flexten (Aramid)
Cover: Blue Versigard (EPDM)

Temperature Range F & C: -40˚F to +300˚F (-40˚C to +149˚C)

Oh well
Time for a change

Any recommendations???

Come guys, slowing down
Gotta get 10 pages before I go to bed

(Put another marshmallow on the fire and sits back and watches this thread)

EDIT
Just Googled EPDM doesn't sound that bad?????
 
Hmmm.....Wha?

ohhh

I LIKE SHORT SHORTS!

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Hmmm.....Wha?

ohhh

I LIKE SHORT SHORTS!

wholikeshosrtshorts.jpg

JEEEsus, what temp do you think those legs are rated to? My initial thoughts are 'hot', but that's such a vague rating.....they do look food grade though. Wonder if she'd put that in writing? (Get's glasses to read inevitable fine print) Oh dear, there it is. ...

"No guarantee express or implied that these legs will remain suitable for your chosen purpose"
 
I'd lick those pipes clean of hot wort.
 
scruffy,
how do you put the first bit of bold in red too

P/MTR

13mm is refering to the diameter

Lobo

Hit reply, highlight the text in the quotes you want to change colour, then click on the pull down button to the right of Font size box (the one with the big blue A in it) and chose your colour...

Oh, aah, 13mm is the diameter. Ooh yeeeah, I see it now...

So that's the reason my missus says stoppit with the 'dad' jokes...

Hope the formatting hint helped anyway :icon_cheers:

FWIW - I'm all silicone where it matters...

:ph34r:
 
Guys, it's a very simple idea. We know that it's possible for plastics to leech materials into liquid they come in contact with. The degree to which this occurs is open to speculation and experimentation. The effect on your beer, and on you after you drink it, is open to the same.

If a given material is rated food grade to a certain temperature, and you are using it above that temperature, it is no longer food grade. Refer to the first paragraph. If you want to trust it, go nuts. Don't smack other people about for finding, or even claiming, that it's causing problems, though. You can't be certain yourself unless you've applied the same tests the manufacturer would have to in order to label it food grade. Why would they only label it food grade to 65? Maybe it's a business decision to sell the same hose at two different ratings with a premium on the higher one. Maybe it's because the hose failed the food grade tests at temperatures above 65. Whatever the reasons, it's not food grade unless it's been demonstrated to be so by an approved testing house under the applicable standards. You're welcome to your opinion on whether that's a problem, and you're more than welcome to use it in your brewery anyway. It probably won't kill you. It probably won't harm you. It might not even introduce bad flavours to your beer. But don't smack the guy who thinks it might, finds anecdotal evidence - however unscientific his method may be - to support the theory, and decides to use hose that israted to the job, then recommends such practice to others.

If you want to be certain that the materials you use in your brewery are safe for contact with hot wort for human consumption, then use materials that are rated food grade at greater than boiling temperatures. Generally, that means stainless steel and silicone. I'm not going to start the galvanic corrosion argument again here, but it applies as much as my above arguments. You might have been using it for years and never noticed any ill effects. But let's face it, you were drinking at the time, and you didn't happen to have a chemical testing facility in your trousers.
 
I use beer belly wire bound hose and have never had a problem with it, and im pumping hot caustic through it every couple of brews.

Scotsman
 
Leigh,

Lets not forget that many brewers are recirculating mash temp and BOILING WORT through their hoses for anything up to two hours (depending on the system).

Now I am unsure how long the tube was exposed to these temps but there is a good chance that PVC could leach, especially if the hose is not rated for food at those temps.

Also FWIW, I have had piece of silicon tubing I use to hold my outdoor blinds down that has sat in the Adelaide sun all day everyday for 5 years and it looks and behaves exactly as it did when I first used it. The "Occy straps" I originally used dissolved years ago.

cheers

Darren


Mate, best to re-read the first post then...this tube was used to fill the no-chill cube! The OP then goes onto argue that had it been chilled, there probably would not be a problem...no mention of recirculation!

Additionally, you have evidence of one effect on your Si hose (UV) and that proves that it is invincible to all manner of degredation by all means...you deserve a medal mate! That just throws out 200 years of chemistry and physics!

Anyway, isn't it obvious that he had some botulism growing in his hose? :lol: Lucky he didn't drink it... :ph34r:
 
I wouldn't worry too much Pat, there is some major pissing contests going on here mate and none of it can change the fact that when he changed the hose the problem went away. As for those that claim the hose may have been the source of an infection that may have been the cause, they have obviously never done a no-chill.

cheers

Browndog

Sticks and stones buddy.

Go and stick your head back in the sand.

None of your post addresses the fact that others who have posted in this thread use this same hose for no chill, recirculation of hot wort and have no issues.

Having done no chill or not, there are some fundamental principles of physics, chemistry and biology that you and your chronies seem to be completely ignorant of. Don't want to know? Good, re-read my second line of this post...
 
LOL! :icon_cheers:

Yeah, this went down really well considering I spent about 3 weeks trying to work out how to create some awareness of this experience without getting anyone in the **** - lol! (I should have given Wayne and Eamon a heads up - sorry guys - confident posting whilst under the influence again.)

Thanks to those that realised my intentions were innocent and/or who posted constructive info.

Anyway, just going to grab my red permanent marker and put a big cross on the bit of my screen where Post New Topic appears.

x
Pat


What made me laugh the most Pat is that you are the one who recommends using material that is NOT rated for food and has better degradation properties than said PVC...in your BIAB.

Now before some idiot mis-represents what I am saying, I am not saying that BIAB does not work or is somehow dangerous, what I am saying is you can't argue one way and then be a complete hypocrite on a similar but different topic!

I'm pretty sure I know why Foles killed two bits of PVC hose before using them, but your investigative skills and his openness on this topic to find out what went on and to prevent it from happening again are hindering the process (let alone all the other know-it-alls and wheel kickers).

Now, Foles FINALLY told us he used percarb (searched mate and you never posted that before in this thread), so now lets see if he can tell us how much he used and how he went about this clean...soak? dip? temp? concentration?
 
Does anyone user this Heat Tolerant Hose?(its under "Pumps, Racking, siphoning).. Food grade inner lining to +98 degrees and an ok price!!!!! :)

I reckon that stuff looks the goods. Have had my eye on it for a while. For transfer hoses its pretty hard to beat on specs and price.
 
Got thru 2 buckets of popcorn watching this thread last night, gotta love cheap entertainment (and yes, i am easily amused).

Here's hoping it keeps going so i can duck out during the breaks in the footy tonight for more chuckles. :icon_cheers:

BTW - i am making beer tomorrow :beerbang:
 
Yep sure is going off, shows the true colours of some of the posters as well.

Batz
 
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