Goodbye Bronwyn

[Dave70]

I know of at least two large local companies who have taken pay cuts (negotiated through unions) to be able to compete with smaller man-in-a-van type companies and keep guys employed. Better to work for smaller margins than have no work at all..

Only problem with that will be once we're all paying 15% GST..

 

[seamad]

meh, I haven't really looked into it, all I said was that I thought that's what their beef was, unfounded or not. Robb has assurance from China that their trade qualifications are equivalent, the ETU etc disagree.

This summarises the FTA, http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-12/china-free-trade-agreement-cost-australian-jobs-fact-check/6653214

 

[Liam_snorkel]

Re - the Greens, they will stop being dismissed as loonies when they stop acting like loonies. They have no credibility.

c'mon, give us a few examples.

 

[sponge]

Only problem with that will be once we're all paying 15% GST..

Fair deuce.. I was just pointing out that taking pay cuts to secure work definitely happens, and has happened a lot more than once since the creation of the universe.

Too much political talk for me for one week. Back to my rock I shall crawl.

 

[Coalminer]

***-for-tat jobs for the boys?

"Dyson Heydon, the royal commissioner under mounting pressure to quit over his links to the Liberal Party, was on a panel that awarded a young Tony Abbott a life-changing scholarship to Oxford University."

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3284131/dyson-heydon-was-on-panel-that-awarded-tony-abbott-his-prized-rhodes-scholarship/?cs=4219

 

[wide eyed and legless]

Myths and facts China FTA

http://dfat.gov.au/trade/agreements/chafta/fact-sheets/Pages/chafta-myths-versus-realities.aspx

 

[Dave70]

c'mon, give us a few examples.

I'll give you three. Sarah Hansen Young.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moJ7j86MyWw

 

[Liam_snorkel]

hehe, yeah. She had a valid but terribly expressed point.. then again, no more looney than Barnaby Joyce, Corey Bernardi, or dare I say Abbott himself.

All I can really do is cry myself to sleep hoping for some politicians that are worth voting for, rather than against.

Prophetic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc96KVsTKtY

and:

Keating, March 1994:
THE person replacing the former member for Warringah [Abbott] has nothing like the progressive social views or contact with the community that the former member had. He at least was able sensibly to relate to the kind of society we now have. As I said the other day, they are being replaced by fogies-a fogey being a person who is attached to old values and old norms that are now irrelevant. It is true to say that we are seeing a combination of old fogies and young fogies, but nevertheless 24-carat fogies. I know when I look at these poor dispirited people opposite - the remnants of Australia's failed upper class and management group, the born-to-rule squad who have been out now mournfully, wistfully, for 11 years going on 13 - that, when they see the likes of Bronwyn Bishop and Tony Abbott coming into their ranks, their hearts must sink.

 

[manticle]

Love Howard's chimpanzee impersonation in that clip.


Re:Greens

Yes dumb, embarassing moment from hansen young. I hope she had enough balls to realise, admit and apologise for the error. Would be streets ahead of her contempoararies. Unfortunately she's a politician so I doubt it.

Stupid, yes, loony no. Corey bernardi - there's a potential psych ward inhabitant, HD unit only..

 

[Vini2ton]

I love this thread. If this country's population had as much political conscience as the brewers on this site I'm fairly sure we may go back to the days when people actually gave a **** about what was happening around them. I declare my union and labor party membership with pride and ask all of you, what would this world be like if we'd never said enough is enough. People now take their wages and conditions for granted. Our forefathers fought the "good fight" for what we have and indeed suffered for their impudence to the ruling classes. Everyone who lives in this country owes those before us deep respect. Amen.

 

[manticle]

Re: Hansen - pretty hilarious though.
'Are you talking about the fictional tv show "sea patrol?"

'Um, yes, the one with boats....oh never mind!'

 

[real_beer]

I wish young people would stand up and look for a future leader from their ranks. My generation has totally ****** up the whole system beyond repair with the people we have available in office now! You can vote at 18, start making it count from today. I don't know who I'll vote for at the next election but I promise it's not going to be for any of the major parties, they've all gone mad, if they were a dog you'd put it down quickly. Australia needs a vision for the future that isn't going to come from these pricks so start seriously looking now!

Say 'I'M 18, I'M MAD AS HELL, I CAN VOTE, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!'

I hope you don't take it anymore cause your futures looking really ****** the way we're headed at the moment.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Ahhh...Keating...

Now there was a politician and a half...

Produced some of the best one liners ever to come out of Parliament B)

 

[manticle]

Didn't like him much at the time but now I think he was as close to a champ as anyone in parliament could be.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

I love this thread. If this country's population had as much political conscience as the brewers on this site I'm fairly sure we may go back to the days when people actually gave a **** about what was happening around them. I declare my union and labor party membership with pride and ask all of you, what would this world be like if we'd never said enough is enough. People now take their wages and conditions for granted. Our forefathers fought the "good fight" for what we have and indeed suffered for their impudence to the ruling classes. Everyone who lives in this country owes those before us deep respect. Amen.

And A LOT of people tend to forget that.

 

[manticle]

Usually people who'd like to run a business and pay people the minimum possible for a 7 day week.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=38&v=r1Ivp-A413A

 

[Black Devil Dog]

A lot of people who run businesses, put everything on the line when they back themselves to have a crack, rather than just be content to work for the man.

Many of these people work for next to nothing in the early days, pumping everything back into the business just so that they can get it up and running. When these businesses grow they employ people.

I suspect that some people commenting here, think that business owners are rolling in green stuff while underpaying their employees.

 

[Danscraftbeer]

Wha? There should be a politics thread otherwise it looks like Bronwyn gets 15 pages. -_-

 

[goomboogo]

Many people continue to see the Liberal and Labor parties as politically dichotomous. This in no way reflects reality.