Goodbye Bronwyn

[Black Devil Dog]

The latest union action.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Well if they have legitamite concerns, why cant they

 

[Black Devil Dog]

Yeah.

'We want this and if you don't give it to us we'll make every ones life ****.'

Good strategy.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Some more light reading

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/technology/inside-amazon-wrestling-big-ideas-in-a-bruising-workplace.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

 

[Black Devil Dog]

Under the watch of a Democrat Government.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Scary isnt it ....

 

[manticle]

Yeah.

'We want this and if you don't give it to us we'll make every ones life ****.'

Good strategy.

The point of a strike, whether or not you agree with the issue, is surely to disrupt things.

I don't get this idea that somehow protest/dissent shouldn't create any ripples.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

Just like Dyson Hayden being appointed as head of the Royal Commission.

Let's not pretend that the unions are the only one's who appoint people to positions to arbitrate on behalf of others.

I don't pretend anything, I have already had a rant in this thread about Michael Lawler who was appointed by Abbot and is or was the Fair Work Commission vice president on $500,000 / year salary with unlimited sick pay, thenhe took 9 months sick leave, I believe he is on his way down the ladder now because of the sick pay and probably for his association with Kathy Jackson.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Now there is some irony for you...Abbott appointing a person to a high ranking position that is associated with a union fraudster...

 

[Tropico]

Bronwyn is not done yet.

With her cronies within the Liberal Party, and her friends that finance them, she will obviously try to overthrow Tony for PM

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Scott Morrison is looking as a likely replacement..... SHUDDERS.....

 

[Dave70]

Some more light reading

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/technology/inside-amazon-wrestling-big-ideas-in-a-bruising-workplace.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

You go to work e commerce company run by a man who is likely a highly functional psychopath and this comes as a surprise?

http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/txQvwojjjHRMY4y0Y7V9xK/Is-the-capacity-for-empathy-a-weakness-in-a-CEO.html

 

[wide eyed and legless]

Now there is some irony for you...Abbott appointing a person to a high ranking position that is associated with a union fraudster...

Another bit of irony, the trade unions have told bill to scuttle the China FTA because they don't like the 457 visa being in the agreement yet the unions bring employees on the 457's so how much do the unions care about the Australian workforce.

I once read a quote from a former employee of Jeff Bezos, he said, 'I know he liked me cos he let me live.'

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

I think you will find that the FTA allows the Chinese to bring in an entire wokforce,( that dont need the same level of skill or qualifiations as local workers ) not just a few workers

 

[Liam_snorkel]

yeah I thought the unions beef with the FTA was that they can bring in tradespeople without the equivalent qualifications / licenses as would be required of Aussie workers.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

No your wrong, the Chinese FTA is worded the same as all the other FTA's which the Labour party has approved, funnily enough it all ties in with your original topic about Bronwyn Bishop, I think that the Bishop saga was a smoke screen, funny how it came to light at the same time as the labour party conference when Bill Shorten made a pact with the union to back him on the boat people and he would back them on the Chinese FTA. Plus the Emissions Trading Scheme was behind the smoke screen also, Abbott ****** up because he didn't sack Bishop straight away.

No Liam it isn't any different under the Chinese FTA to the procedure with the 457 visa now, they must have the skills and language in English plus all avenues to find employees must be exhausted.
We now live in a global economy (as we have found out with Greece) and also a global market, since New Zealand signed their China FTA their exports to China have risen from $2 billion to $8 billion. We cant make Australia a fortress from the rest of the world which is what a couple of the unions want.

 

[Liam_snorkel]

meh, I haven't really looked into it, all I said was that I thought that's what their beef was, unfounded or not. Robb has assurance from China that their trade qualifications are equivalent, the ETU etc disagree.

 

[pcmfisher]

The Unions have negotiated many times for a wage reduction to keep a business afloat and keep everyone employed.

Is that a bad thing...?

Do we just let the workers loose their jobs completely and live on the dole...

The Unions role is not always to get the highest wage possible, sometimes they have to fight and negotiate to keep the workers employed.

Many times? Once, maybe twice since the creation of the universe.

I wonder what negotiations were done between the workers and GMH to keep the business afloat?

Oh that's right, they cut the amount of milk the tea lady was allowed to give out!

 

[sponge]

I know of at least two large local companies who have taken pay cuts (negotiated through unions) to be able to compete with smaller man-in-a-van type companies and keep guys employed. Better to work for smaller margins than have no work at all..

 

[pcmfisher]

@dbs - last government's policies on asylum seekers were pretty damn dreadful too.

Unfortunately both sides seem to have crept further and further to the right in recent times.

The marriage equality issue was in their power to change but they lacked the balls.

Cold heartless pricks? Maybe not but ineffectual due to lack of guts? Definitely. Rudd started strong then faded to nothing, their squabbling did them in. I don't think abbot/brandis etc would have stood a chance if last Labor had been competent. **** off Shorten, get plibersek in, stop dismissing the greens as Loonies when much of their platform and attitude aligns with old Labor and then we might see a goverment with their head at the opposite end to their arse.

Yep mostly true.

Considering Bill Shorten was the reason behind a lot of the Labor's woes I cannot believe they would even consider having him as leader. After Labor was made virtually unvoteforable he should have been told to go and sit in the corner for a couple of years and hope people would forget the turmoil he caused. To me it shows they have not learned.

With a decent leader like Plibersek or even Albanese, Tony Abbott's crew will be a one term wonder if they don't watch out.

Also I don't see the point politically or otherwise to keep on trying to put off the inevitable of gay marriage.

Re - the Greens, they will stop being dismissed as loonies when they stop acting like loonies. They have no credibility.